<p>"Of course it is. It's a program called Affirmative Action that indirectly harms applicants of Asian descent."
kwu, please explain.. I'm Indian, will that affect my chances of getting into NYU, or Davidson ( moreso than my other credentials)? </p>
<p>hey, i read that nytimes article. it was interesting to know that a majority of asians have business degrees!</p>
<p>i just think asians tend to be homogenious in their passions/ECs...and that kinda turns colleges off sometimes.</p>
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So they really need to divide up the category into 3 parts: South Asian, East Asian, and Southeast Asian.
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They already have. One top school, for example, subdivides admissions data:</p>
<p>Chinese/Chinese-American
East Indian/Pakistani
Japanese/Japanese-American
Korean/Korean-American
Filipino/Filipino-American
Pacific Islander
Vietnamese
Other Asian </p>
<p>I suggest you do less complaining and more research before starting pointless threads.</p>
<p>In the past and present, Asians have garnered the stereotype of often unmatched intellect and intelligence. I mean, cmon, how many of you are surprised when your Asian classmate or study partner can't do the homework or fails an assignment? </p>
<p>Schools like the Ivy leagues think the same way (unfortunately). If you are an Asian applicant, but don't have a 4.0 UW, you have low chances for two reasons. A) adcom stereotypes of Asian academic prowess and B) it is most likely that all the other hundreds (or thousands) of other Asians applying do have 4.0 UW. </p>
<p>So what's the bottom line? If a person has Asian ancestry, it chains them to the expectation of being perfect. Anything less is "unacceptable." Maybe I'm a little far-fetched, but that is how it seems to me. (Just look at the chance threads and you will see what I mean).</p>
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Colleges automatically assume you are overrepresented and therefore will somewhat discriminate.
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<p>Do some research before you yourself start assuming things about the college admissions process.</p>
<p>Indians are just as overpopulated and overachieving at any top elite colleges just as Asians are.</p>
<p>Second, unless your are URM, your ethnicity cannot be held against you regardless of whether your specifically southeast asian, far east asia, or south asia. You have the option to have your application read without any light of your ethnicity</p>
<p>Here is an article on how colleges are trending towards increasing available ethnicity options on college apps. As far as i know, many top institutions across the country are flexible and allow for greater number of options</p>
<p>In fact, bottom line, unless your URM, your ethnicity doesn't matter in admissions and will not be used or held against you.</p>
<p>On</a> ethnicity, thinking out of box - The Boston Globe</p>
<p>I can understand what you are saying ivyleaguewannabe; I find that I sterotype my classmates every now and then. It's not fair to them because they are human and make mistakes, but it's kind of like they have no other choice but to BE perfect. It's probably just human nature that we sterotype all ethnicities according to level of acedemic achievement. It would be a little better if we didn't look so much at race--but what can we do about it?</p>
<p>The Asians you are referring to are mostly, I think, Chinese and Korean applicants. Well, I come from Mongolia, and was accepted at 3 schools out of 11 that I applied to, with a full ride on each of them. </p>
<p>And in my case, I believe being from Mongolian definitely helped me. And it is obvious that it is quite surprising to see a Chinese who doesn't have a 4.0 GPA, and almost perfect SAT scores. I possessed none of them, though.</p>
<p>So my conclusion is that being a Chinese and Indian might hurt a lot, but being from other parts of Asia might even help. </p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
<p>^^ That is a good categorization. I am happy to be included in the other Asians. LOL</p>
<p>I am an American, in mind and heart, that's all that matters to me.</p>
<p>^ Amen...lol</p>
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Indians are not nearly as populated in colleges as other (mainly east/southeast) asians, and so, I propose they split up that very broad category into more specific ones.
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<p>With the exception of UC Berkeley (which is like the most Chinese dominated university in the nation and the high Chinese population explains why Berkeley is the top ranked public) and UCLA (which too also has a large Chinese population which explains how UCLA is ranked so high for a public university), Indians make up a rather strong plurality in most elite universities. The Ivies, Stanford, Michigan, Duke, MIT, etc. all have Indian populations that even rival those of East Asians.</p>
<p>i'm turkish and my dad wants me to check 'white' and/or 'other'...LOL :)</p>
<p>MODERATOR'S NOTE TO "Asians..." THREAD: </p>
<p>The topic of the thread belongs on the College Admissions Forum rather than on the College Search and Selection Forum, so I will move it. It is a good fit with the existing FAQ thread on ethnic self-identification in college applications, so the two threads will be merged.</p>
<p>MODERATOR'S NOTE TO "Does Being Asian/Indian really hurt or help?" THREAD: </p>
<p>The thread is about ethnic self-identification in college admission, so it will be merged with the FAQ thread on that frequently discussed topic. The short answer to the question "Does Being Asian/Indian really hurt or help?" is that it depends on the college. Some colleges have a scarcity of applicants in that category, and some colleges have an abundance.</p>
<p>"You have the option to have your application read without any light of your ethnicity"</p>
<p>Regardless of whether or not you check the race/ethnicity boxes, it is obvious most of the time as to which group you belong to.</p>
<p>"In fact, bottom line, unless your URM, your ethnicity doesn't matter in admissions and will not be used or held against you."</p>
<p>They can't admit an infinite amount of kids. Everytime someone gets an advantage someone else is disadvantaged.</p>
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it is obvious most of the time as to which group you belong to.
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<p>Colleges are specifically told by the federal government that they need NOT look beyond what is self-reported by students when they do mandatory reporting of student ethnicity to the federal government, and colleges are permitted to report students in a category of "race unknown." And colleges do. </p>
<p>Here are some selective colleges with high percentages of students reported as "race unknown." </p>
<p>(22 percent at Case Western) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Case Western Reserve University - Case - At a Glance </p>
<p>(21 percent at Cornell) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Cornell University - At a Glance </p>
<p>(21 percent at William and Mary) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - College of William and Mary - CWM - At a Glance </p>
<p>(21 percent at Brandeis) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Brandeis University - At a Glance </p>
<p>(20 percent at Amherst College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Amherst College - At a Glance </p>
<p>(18 percent at Princeton) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Princeton University - At a Glance </p>
<p>(18 percent at Reed College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Reed College - At a Glance </p>
<p>(16 percent at Chicago) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - University of Chicago - Chicago - At a Glance </p>
<p>(15 percent at Penn) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - University of Pennsylvania - Penn - At a Glance </p>
<p>(14 percent at Pomona) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Pomona College - At a Glance </p>
<p>(13 percent at Harvard) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Harvard College - At a Glance </p>
<p>(13 percent at Brown) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Brown University - Brown - At a Glance </p>
<p>(13 percent at Vanderbilt) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Vanderbilt University - Vandy - At a Glance </p>
<p>(12 percent at Carnegie Mellon) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Carnegie Mellon University - At a Glance </p>
<p>(11 percent at Yale) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Yale University - At a Glance </p>
<p>(11 percent at Columbia) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Columbia University - Columbia - At a Glance </p>
<p>(10 percent at NYU) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - New York University - NYU - At a Glance </p>
<p>(10 percent at Agnes Scott) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Agnes Scott College - ASC - At a Glance </p>
<p>(9 percent at Whitman) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Whitman College - At a Glance </p>
<p>(8 percent at Washington U in St. Louis) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Washington University in St. Louis - Washington U. - At a Glance </p>
<p>(7 percent at Berkeley) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - University of California: Berkeley - Cal - At a Glance </p>
<p>(6 percent at MIT) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Massachusetts Institute of Technology - MIT - At a Glance </p>
<p>(6 percent at Virginia) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - University of Virginia - UVA - At a Glance </p>
<p>And here are some other colleges: </p>
<p>(59 percent at Savannah College of Art and Design) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Savannah College of Art and Design - SCAD - At a Glance </p>
<p>(35 percent at Metropolitan Community College: Penn Valley) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Metropolitan Community College: Penn Valley - At a Glance </p>
<p>(28 percent at Rhode Island School of Design) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Rhode Island School of Design - RISD - At a Glance </p>
<p>(27 percent at Champlain College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Champlain College - CC - At a Glance </p>
<p>(26 percent at George Mason) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - George Mason University - Mason - At a Glance </p>
<p>(24 percent at Lansing Community College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Lansing Community College - LCC - At a Glance </p>
<p>(23 percent at Hartwick College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Hartwick College - The Wick - At a Glance </p>
<p>(21 percent at Lynn University) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Lynn University - LU - At a Glance </p>
<p>(20 percent at SUNY Stony Brook) </p>
<p>(20 percent at New York School of Interior Design) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - New York School of Interior Design - NYSID - At a Glance </p>
<p>(19 percent at Eugene Lang College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Eugene Lang College The New School for Liberal Arts - Lang - At a Glance </p>
<p>(18 percent at SUNY Albany) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - State University of New York at Albany - UAlbany - At a Glance </p>
<p>(18 percent at Fashion Institute of Technology) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Fashion Institute of Technology - FIT - At a Glance </p>
<p>(17 percent at Northeastern) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Northeastern University - NU - At a Glance </p>
<p>(17 percent at Whittier College) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Whittier College - At a Glance </p>
<p>(13 percent at Tuskegee) </p>
<p>College</a> Search - Tuskegee University - TU - At a Glance</p>
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Some people say that its a disadvantage because we are overrepresented at the Ivy League Schools, etc, while others say its an Advantage because many Asians attend Ivy League and other top schools.
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<p>When it comes to the Ivy Leagues, it is a disadvantage. The ones who deny it often say something to the effect of, “It doesn’t hurt you. It just won’t help you.” That implies some applicants receive an advantage based on race while others receive no advantage. However, in this case, no advantage IS a disadvantage.</p>
<p>The one person in this long thread who argued that being Asian is an advantage is being purposefully duplicitous. He claims that being Asian increases your chances of admission because Asians have the highest acceptance rate of any racial group. Being Asian doesn’t increase your chances unless you’re applying to a school that doesn’t have many Asians to begin with. Having good stats increases your chances, and hmm, isn’t that what many Asian applicants have?</p>
<p>it's bad for the places where most asians apply lol</p>
<p>hey, does anyone know if 'turkish' can be considered 'other'?</p>
<p>I am an asian male and wondering if I should put asian as my race or "I prefer not to answer"? Or does it depend on the colleges I'm applying to? To give you an idea for where I'm applying to, my biggest reach school is probably U of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign and my biggest safety school is Arizona State U.</p>
<p>[MODERATOR'S NOTE to "Now... what to put for race..." THREAD: As usual, this new thread has been merged with the general FAQ thread on the same subject, in which there are outlinks to quite a lot of authoritative statements on this subject. Refutations of some of the statements posted in reply to the new thread were already posted in the general FAQ thread, so look around for other replies. It's always a good idea to use the CC forum search function to look for threads answering frequently asked questions such as this one.]</p>
<p>what are your stats?</p>