Feeling very lost, what are some good safety schools for me?

Asian female
SAT: 1460 (720 RW 740 Math) Superscore: 1490, but planning to retake the test soon
GPA: 3.9 weighted, 3.68 unweighted
AP scores: three 5s, also planning on taking 3 more in senior year.
Subject Tests: 760 in math 2, 750 in literature.
ECs: 8th place at the National History Day world finals in Washington D.C. Acted as a teaching assisstant in my school’s summer camp. Involved in volunteer work for local LGBT-rights organizations. Also in leadership positions for two clubs.

I’m currently targeting schools like USC, UCs, and NYU. Originally considered University of Washington (Seattle) and UIUC as my safety schools (both of their acceptance rates are above 50%), but my counselor recently told me that neither of them are truly safeties that I’d be really certain to get in.
So what are some good safety schools to look at for someone like me? Preferably those in larger cities.

Is cost a factor at all? What major are you thinking about? What state do you live in?

Have you run the calculator for your UC GPA? Your stats seem on the low end for UCs given the intense competition for them in the last few years.

I agree with your counselor. Those are not safeties.

What about Fordham, American, Tulane, or Pitt?

Cost is only a very minor factor for me. I’m thinking about majors such as architecture, urban planning, or computer science. I dont’ actually live in the US, but I am a US citizen and my family resides in California and pays the state taxes.
I believe my UC GPA is 3.95 (honors courses in my school are not approved by UCs). My GPA is indeed a weak spot, since my school is not willing to give us more than 3 APs in one school year and so the even the highest weighted GPA in our grade is only a 4.15. I’ve looked into the schools you listed and it seems that both American and Tulane have acceptance rates that are around 25%?

Have you looked at Cal Poly SLO?
It may not be a safety for your GPA, but it does seem to have a strong architecture program, and is less selective than some of the others you mention.

Other match/safety possibilities for architecture:
Cal State Poly Pomona
Illinois Institute of Technology
Syracuse
Rensselaer Polytechnic
UMass Amherst (strong in CS, part of a 5 college consortium)

The UC’s will cost $65K/year with little to no FA. Cal states around $40K/ year.
Cal Poly Pomona is a Match. Cal Poly SLO is Low Reach.
UC’s will be tough with a UC GPA below 4.0 especially for CS.
Freshman admit rates for UC GPA of 3.80-4.19:

UCB: 12.6%
UCLA: 11.7%
UCSD: 38.7%
UCSB: 53.6%
UCD: 56.5%
UCI: 52.1%
UCSC: 75.7%
UCR: 90.1
UCM: 96.1%

Best of luck and make sure all schools are affordable.

Tulane’s class of 2022 acceptance rate was 17.5%, American’s was 31%, so neither are safeties.

I like the Fordham and Pitt ideas (but not true safeties either). More in the safety range (but check specific major acceptance rates): UIC (u of illinois in chicago-good architecture program, not as hard to get in OOS as UIUC), University of Minnesota, Washington State, U of Iowa, and Iowa State.

For architecture, the only state universities in California with NAAB-accredited BArch (5 year) programs are the two Cal Polys. USC and a few other private schools in California also have NAAB-accredited BArch programs.

https://www.naab.org/architecture-programs/school-search/

The University of San Francisco is a good safety. They also offer aid.

If you do want an NAAB-accredited BArch program, then after filtering for location and selectivity, you might be looking at a fairly short list. For some programs (such as Tulane’s 5y MArch program) there may be portfolio requirements.

Apply EA to some schools, that way you know whether you got in before RD apps are due.

There are two separate issues here.

One is that, admissions-wise, you need some true safeties. As others have pointed out, both stats and chronology play into this, because if a school is relatively competitive but has EA or rolling admissions such that you can get an acceptance nailed down early, then it still meets the need for a solid backup.

The other is that you are interested in several fields that have their own barriers to entry, yet you’re still figuring out what you want to do and thus need time and flexibility to explore your interests. You sound like someone who is more suited to lay a broad foundation before specializing, not someone who is ready to commit to a narrowly-focused specialty program as an undergrad. Yet, you also wouldn’t want to go to schools that lack opportunities to explore the specialty fields you’re interested in, either because those programs don’t exist there at all, or because it’s difficult or impossible to access those programs if you’re not admitted to them from the beginning.

Are you specifically interested in the studio aspect of architecture? Some arch studies and pre-arch programs have true studio exposure and others really do not, drawing mostly from academic offerings like art/arch history.

One program you might want to look at as a safety is the School of Environmental Design at CU Boulder. It’s a smaller program within a large flagship, and it starts with a common core and then branches into four specialty areas from which students can choose: architecture, landscape architecture, urban planning, and design studies. https://www.colorado.edu/envd/about/curriculum This is also a school where you could access CS classes as a non-major; there’s a CS minor available to students in any program. And you can apply EA and get a decision fairly quickly.

A true safety with rolling admissions, where you could be accepted within a matter of weeks, would be Portland State. It’s definitely on the less competitive end of the spectrum, but its CS, architecture, and urban planning programs are all particularly strong, and it’s a great city to go to school in. (There are lots of commuters and adult students, but the community in on-campus housing and near-campus private dorms is great.) It’s a terrific financial deal for Californians with the WUE rate, and the involvement of the school in the urban laboratory of Portland is innovative.

U of Utah would be another great safety in a major city with a lot of progressive social programs and initiatives going on. The honors college is terrific and offers year-long Praxis Labs, some of which would likely appeal given your interests. Computer Science is strong, College of Architecture and Planning offers excellent undergrad programs as well. http://www.cap.utah.edu/ UofU is also very affordable, either through the WUE rate or by following their path to attain residency after the first year.

U Minnesota Twin Cities is also a great urban school that is strong in all of your areas of interest.

And Pitt is a great suggestion - you’d qualify for the Honors College, and they have great architecture options http://www.arch.pitt.edu/program/major-requirements.php as well as Urban Studies and CS. Plus, rolling admissions that would give you a decision quickly.

Other non-safety possibilities to consider would include:

  • Scripps College, where you can take CS classes and major in CS through Harvey Mudd and/or Pomona, and explore architecture and urban planning through the Sustainability and the Built Environment track of the Environmental Analysis major.
  • Connecticut College, which has a studio-centric Arch Studies major and a CS major, an is close enough to access NYC, New Haven, Providence and Boston.
  • Macalester, which has a dual-degree architecture program with WashU, as well as a CS major
  • Case Western Reserve U, which has a great urban location in Cleveland, has an open door policy re: majors (you can choose to major in anything once there) and has great CS and CS-adjacent programs as well as a pre-arch major, which must be a second major but can be combined with anything.
  • Northeastern U: look especially at their Urban Landscape major and their CS majors, minors, and combined majors.

As others have said, Cal Poly has excellent programs, but mobility and blending between/among programs is not easy. It’s a better school for people who are sure they want a particular field/track.

All the universities above are fantastic suggestions.
Talk with your parents about budget though - until you’ve talked about it you have no idea what they expect to pay (regardless of what they CAN pay).
CSUs problem is that they have a strict “admit by major” policy that makes it hard to switch and you’re essentially undecided. However I’d add CPP. A UC that you can consider a safety would be UCSC.
CU Boulders school of Environmental Design and UUtah are two solid safeties.

… as long as your family truly can afford the out-of-state costs. For CU Boulder, that would be >$50K/year. For Utah, closer to ~$40K/y.

CU Boulder has an architectural engineering program. They don’t seem to offer BArch or MArch degrees, nor do I see any architecture-related major within the College of Arts and Sciences. So, practically speaking, you might need to commit to architectural engineering up front, at application time. If you indicate CS as an intended major, then presumably you could switch easily to some other program within the CAS later … but it might be a bit harder to switch into or out of architectural engineering.

There are schools (including LACs) that approach architecture as a liberal art, for example through “architectural studies” majors or concentrations, which I think of as something like a specialized art history major. If your goal is to become a licensed, practicing architect, then at some point you’ll need to go “all in” with the full gamut of calculus, physics, drafting/CAD, studio courses, etc. etc., which often means entering a stove-piped school/college of architecture/design.

Utah is $40K for the first year at OOS rates. After that with residency it’s about $20K per year, so total 4 year cost is close to or less than instate UC (full pay) costs. OP’s scores/grades are probably too low for the top merit awards, but she might get something for the first year to help offset the OOS costs.

^ That sounds pretty good, but does Utah have more to offer than any of the UCs or CSUs?
I assume there must be a suitable safety within the California public systems (although there does seem to be very heavy grade competition in the CA public high schools, along with a strong emphasis on GPA in UC admissions).

Depends what you are looking for. Utah has PAC-12 sports which most UCs don’t. It has better skiing too :wink: More broadly they have great, brand new facilities in a very nice campus setting adjacent to a city.

Most wouldn’t choose it over UCB/UCLA (though my D18 did), but I can imagine many would find it a better experience than UCM.

UUtah is a better fit since it’s more reachable than UCs de to Op’s gpa and it’s less strict with choosing a major and being stuck in it than the CSUs, which is essential for an undecided student.

A first professional degree in architecture is an NAAB accredited BArch (typically 5 years) or MArch. MArch is typically 3 years, but some programs may be a bit shorter for those who have a non-NAAB-accredited BA/BS in architecture.

Re the UC/CSU vs. UofU comparison, the closest thing in the UC system to the UofU Honors College is the Campuswide Honors program at Irvine, but they’re quite different experiences. And the combination of major city plus world-class outdoor recreation in close proximity is not rivaled in the CA public system. (Based on those two parameters, I’d say that Honors at SDSU is the closest competition… but the closest thing to architecture at SDSU is the Interior Architecture emphasis in the art school, which is the wrong end of the field for someone interested in urban planning.) Plus, as a less impacted flagship it offers greater flexibility for the undecided student.

On the other hand, there’s a stark difference in racial diversity between the UC’s/CSU’s and UofU; SLO at 55% white is the whitest public U in California, whereas UofU is 69% white. (Boulder is even whiter at 72%. After laboring over their diversity-themed essay, my daughter was nonplussed to receive an admissions offer in a large envelope festooned with a mob of happy, cheering white kids.)

And yes, Boulder is expensive even after the standard OOS merit offer. UofU is a great deal, either through WUE reciprocity or by the residency-in-one-year path; plus they offer some decent merit aid.

@tk21769 , the reason there are no architecture-related majors in Arts & Sciences at CU Boulder is that they live in the School of Environmental Design, which is actually a great academic "home* for undergrads because it is smaller and more personalized than A&S. ENVD students can pursue minors, certificates, and even double-majors in A&S. The professional graduate-level architecture programs in the CU system are located at the downtown campus in Denver. CU Denver also offers a pre-professional BS Arch which might appeal to Californians looking for value (Denver is a WUE school whereas Boulder is not) and an urban campus (Boulder is a small city in its own right but it’s not Denver)… but the Campus Village housing accommodates only 700 of the 15K undergrads, so it’s primarily a commuter school.

When you say your family lives in CA, do you mean your parents? Because if your parents don’t reside in CA, you will not be considered in state regardless of your citizenship or taxes your parents pay.