<p>Oops, sorry. Yea, I was saying that, apparently. I did know those schools were Div. 1 because my D looked at them, lol. I just confused myself into a senior moment by trying to post too quickly before running out the door to a meeting. But yes, I did mean to say that those Div. 1 teams are of lower caliber than our high school team, so imagine the quality of most Div. 3 teams?</p>
<p>By saying the info. was irrelevant, I meant that you’d have to control for differences in high school preparation, eg with GPA and SAT scores, when comparing graduation rates of athletes between Div. 1 and Div. 3.</p>
<p>Patriot League is a hybrid IAA league. Division I time commitment and intensity of program with the academic expectations of the top DIIIs/Ivies. Son recruited heavily by Ivies, Nepsac, Patriot, and played two years of football at a Patriot League school before injury forced his retirement. Made dean’s list the next semester. Time commitment is 35-40 hours + more if you need treatment for injury. And it is nearly year-round. Recruiting classes of 26-27 whittle down by half by senior year for lots of reasons: injury, academics, commitment, etc. Still Patriot league is unique in that it has high athletic and academic standards for its student-athletes.</p>
<p>More to the point of shopping for best overall fit for the student/athlete in question:</p>
<p>Size matters for a football lineman …so that was <em>THE</em> determining factor for my boy shopping mostly D-III schools as a recruited athlete. He was fortunate to have more than one NESCAC slot offer… yet he selected the lowest ranked academic school from those offers …in large part, because he felt it would offer him the most competitive level of play, athletically… He will also likely be starting as a freshman. </p>
<p>This particular NESCAC school will also allow him to play rugby in the spring - which is a sport that he loves and excels in, equally to football. Other, higher academically-ranked NESCAC choices did not offer him the option to also play his spring sport. So for him… it was the best choice, offering the most balance.</p>
<p>^^i hope that works out for your son. Although I’m not going to recommend this:</p>
<p>“selected the lowest ranked academic school from those offers …in large part, because he felt it would offer him the most competitive level of play, athletically” </p>
<p>even in football, low academics do not equal more competitive athletes. some of the lineman at Florida, Texas, USC, etc are the smartest guys at the school. USC had a Rhode scholar a couple years ago, starting on what was the #1 team in the country at the time. And you don’t have to look any further than Stanford to see how bright football athletes are competitive.</p>
<p>conversely take a look at Washington State football if you want to see how lower academics effects the competitiveness of an athlete and team. </p>
<p>I wouldn’t recommend anyone go to a lower academic d1 or d3 school expecting to find better athletes.</p>
<p>He couldn’t go wrong with ANY of the NESCAC choices he had. They are all ranked in the nation’s top 40 LAC’s. He will receive an excellent education with great internship opps and grad school prospects.</p>
<p>To clarify: My son was looking to satisfy his comprehensive list of needs and wants for a school (aka - overall fit)… and athletics are very important to him. </p>
<p>He chose this particular school over other slightly more academically prestigious DIII’s on his radar, because he felt he could not only receive a great education, but also play at a higher level than the other NESCAC teams… play sooner, and in both of his chosen sports.</p>
<p>Changing the subject slightly (sorry!), but does anyone have any experience with athletes transferring between D3 colleges? Can you transfer between D3 colleges and continue to compete? Are there restrictions on eligibility or anything like that? Thanks!</p>
<p>Horus …glad FenwaySouth got you squared away on your other thread. Best of luck figuring out your next move.</p>
<p>I’m curious though, if you can say on a high level, why you are seeking a transfer? The answers to that question may be very much on point, with what was asked in the OP’s original question here… about who’s still playing or not… and why …if the answer is no? </p>
<p>Some of the hopeful recruited athletes could learn from your assumptions or oversights …about why your college or team choice turned out not to be the best fit for you.</p>
<p>Can you provide more specifics? Majors, location, school size, academic level, what D3 tennis level? How important is the sport to your overall decision?</p>
<p>I’m very familiar with tennis in the Mid-Atlantic and New England, but not so much outside of it. I helped a family friend profile some schools as he was trying to decide between low D1 and top D3. I played D2 tennis a hundred years ago at a New England school that is now a D1. I loved playing in college, and still play quite a bit now. I like to give the youngsters a run for their money ;-).</p>
<p>PS…PM me for a link to an interesting resource.</p>
<p>Responding to the original question: My daughter was recruited in track & field, D1. She signed along with 4 other girls in her event. Now entering their 4th year, only 2 of the 5 remain on the team. One girl was cut during their 1st season, another before the start of the 2nd season and the 3rd quit voluntarily. My daughter and her remaining original teammate have done very well and are very happy. They’ve had one change of coach, fortunately they loved the old coach and they love the new coach. D chose a perfect fit academically, socially, geographically as well as athletically. We couldn’t be happier, only downside is graduation next year will be painful!</p>
<p>My son was a recruited rower at Dartmouth. Out of seven recruits in his year four were still rowing in their senior year. In the class after his there were six recruits and four were still on the team in their senior year. In my son’s year of the four who remained three were on the Varsity1 boat and one was on the Varsity2. I think the ones who loved it, worked hard to improve, and made the best boats were more likely to stay with it. My son and several others have continued to row and even compete after graduation.</p>
<p>'Fess Up-who is still Competing in College…D1 vs D3</p>
<p>Son is still going strong in baseball & engineering for sophomore year. He was among 8 Ivy recruited in his 2014 class that are still going strong. The Fall baseball season has new meaning as he worked an engineering internship this summer (in the VA heat), and he could not wait to get back on the baseball field. This was the first summer since he was 4 or 5 years old that he did not play baseball…kind of ironic. He’s already told the coach he wants to play summer college baseball next year. He learns fast!</p>
<p>No coaches changes, so we can stop swallowing hard. Son was worried about his position coach getting promoted to a head coaching job somewhere. In baseball, you spend almost all of your time with your position coach. We know many, many players that have either transferred, changed majors, or have new coaches. We are very fortunate to have very little change so far…knock on wood.</p>
<p>My wife and I have promised each other that we will be going to more games this year no matter what it takes.</p>
<p>DD was one of 5 recruited swimmers in the class of 2014. All 5 recruited swimmers are returning - 3 did well enough last year to place in the top 8 at Conference in their events while the other 2 made the top 16 list. All are excited for this season. One of the5 ended up having knee surgery last season, so didn’t swim to her potential last year; she is back to good health and anxious to get in the pool.</p>
<p>Okay listen. I am a high school senior and I have done TONS of researching on whether to swim d1, d2 or d3. My GPA is 3.9/4.0 and my ACT is a 31. I was deciding on whether to swim d1 with a huge academic scholarship or d3. I have taken 3 recruiting trips to Western Kentucky, Xavier and South Carolina. I have two more trips set up to SEC schools: Kentucky and Alabama. Emory contacted me and wanted to recruit me, but division3 schools can not offer athletic scholarships. It is true that some d3 schools are more academically focused than some d1 schools, but I think Stanford (d1), Yale (d1), Duke (d1), UNC (d1), are just a couple examples of division 1 schools that are very smart and very fast. Emory is an amazing school. My parents still push me to reconsider it, and I have been talking to the head coach, Jon Howell for 6 months. Yes, they are great academically as you said. But, can they compete with d1 schools? The answer is: Yes, some. Maybe the bottom 30% or so. They don’t have a chance against the top 25 at NCAA Division 1 schools. Or maybe even the top 40 or so. I do not mean that out of ANY disrespect to Emory or division 3 schools at all. Some athletes are looking for an athletic program that is less oriented about athletics and more academically-oriented. I am a very academically focused student that dreams of swimming at a d1 college, and it is happening for me now.</p>
<p>Awesome! I think most posters agree with you overall.
Many of the comments are more directed on how much of your life you want to give to swimming in college. For the most part, D1 takes about twice as much time as D3, and the coach has more power over your free time.
So if it isn’t the Olympics you want, you may be better off swimming not quite as fast but having a broader academic(and social)experience.
Of course, for the best results, you have to devote all your free time to your sport. More power to you, but that isn’t for everyone.</p>
<p>Another point of this thread is that a significant percentage of college athletes leave their sport after 1-2 years for a variety of reasons. This is for students(and parents) weighing the pros and cons of both levels of commitment versus the goal of college-for most-to maximize their educational, not athletic opportunities.</p>
<p>Lucky you, and we all hope it all turns out as you dreamed!</p>
<p>From a look at the roster of our kiddo’s sport…of the last few yrs
it appears that those recruited for frosh yr, return for soph.and most if not all return Jr yr. The Sr yr is light about 2 … assuming an even number each yr oer recruiting class.
So the attrition seems light…which I take as a good sign</p>
<p>Any new insights on this topic? Seems “newbies” are reposting questions that were really worked thru and thoroughly evaluated in the thread.</p>
<p>Some of my patients who are athletes home for break-plus my son-
D1 still really a total commitment, D3 nothing to sneeze at, with more flexibility for the non-olympic/pro contender.</p>
<p>Son was one of 3 players recruited for D1 golf at his school for 2010/11, he had an amazing first year, playing #1 on his team currently, second player is academically ineligible and 3rd guy seems to have lost motivation/interest and has only cracked line up occasionally, I have a feeling he will quit after this year.</p>