Final Decisions Background - Class of 2021

I read the post and nothing triggered. I re-read today after 2 pages of discussion to figure out what hinted at a dollar figure for talent award. Still nothing. She said “incredible scholarships/grants package,” which in my opinion is vague and open to much interpretation. Grants in the terms of college aid is so generic and is typically based in part on need (financial need for family and probably school need for talent/type), so how did some of you ascertain so much from such an innocent statement? While she says everything is covered, she doesn’t give a dollar breakdown on how she got there.

BTW, congrats Drowsy! Your D had an incredible ride, a great YA experience, and I’m sure a great 4 years at UMich
ending with no debt.

@IfYouOnlyKnew I didn’t reference any particular poster. I spoke in generic terms about the issue. This is very early on this thread and I felt my advice was worthy of sharing publicly. Others disagree. I respect that.

As @lojosmo requested, let’s get this thread back to the Final Decisions.

If anyone else has more to say to me on this, feel free to PM me. I will share there, but I feel it’s time to move on to more fun news on this thread.

Thanks everyone.

@HappyDancer98 as I referenced two pages of discussion, I was not posting at you either!

Carry On!

Well we’re down to the last college visit tomorrow. I can’t believe we’re finally here!! D has some very nice choices and two that we’ve seen so far could easily be her home for the next 4 years. It is so true what has been said about fit. Two of the schools, while amazing in their own right, didn’t give her “that feeling” right away and she knew she could eliminate them.

Hopefully I’ll be posting with the final decision within the week!

Happy travels to you@MTheaterMom! Excited for you!

OUR STORY

Last week, in a Manhattan Starbucks, my forlorn D told me and an opera singer friend of ours, “why isn’t there a program that will just let me do what I want?” We chastised her, telling her to be realistic. I told her we were running out of time and she needed to focus on the available choices. We tried to encourage her that she had options and any of them could produce the desired end result.

Less than 24 hours later, in a tiny, but blinged-out office at a small private university in New Jersey, the head of dance said, “YOU JUST NEED TO TELL US WHAT YOU WANT.”

THE JOURNEY
We started our journey in a very practical way. All schools were on the table. D looked at, not what was on some random internet ranking, but what courses were in the program, what departments taught them, what the backgrounds of the teachers were, etc.

D was raised equal parts in the ballet studio and the barn. As a former ballet dancer, I insisted she begin at the city’s professional ballet company studio. After a few years, she decided flying over fences on ponies winning ribbons was a lot more exciting than plies and jetes. But she kept singing. As a lifelong singer, my children were REQUIRED to do 2 things: learn to swim and sing in church choir. She had the best early choir directors. At some point, I thought we might go check out a community theater musical audition. That led to playing Anne in Anne of Green Gables and learning 40 pages of script. Who knew she could act? And then to performing in what would be the first of 3 operas with the city’s opera company. After her first opera, she declared that she wanted to sell the pony and focus on a career in performing on stage. She insisted on returning to ballet, starting private voice lessons, and auditioning for the local performing arts high school. She was 12.

STATS
Training: Ballet school (with tap, jazz and modern), church choir, performing arts high school, private voice

Summers: Atlanta Ballet Advanced Intensive (2 years), Triple Arts Intensive (2 years), iTheatrics Choreography DVDs (4 years)

Coach: College Audition Coach

Applied: Western Carolina U, Carnegie Mellon, U Mich, Wright State, Hartt School, Manhattan School of Music, Cap 21/Malloy, Rider, Pace, Texas State, Marymount Manhattan, Fordham, Florida State, Point Park, Arizona, Baldwin Wallace, Ok City U, SUNY Buffalo, University of Georgia (academic backup), Kennesaw State U (vocal perf backup)

Academically accepted (LOL–Big Deal!): All except those that were contingent on artistic acceptance (U Mich, CMU)

Prescreens: FSU (passed), Michigan (passed), Tx State (in person prescreen, did not pass)

Moonifieds: Rider, CAP21, Wright State, Tx State prescreen, Pace Acting, Pace MT, Arizona, Point Park

Unifieds Chicago: U Mich, Hartt, Manhattan School of Music

Early Acceptances: Attended WCU on-campus audition and Moonifieds in November. Received 3 early offers from WCU, Rider, and CAP21.

Cancelled: Marymount Manhattan, FSU, Fordham, OCU, SUNY Buffalo, Kennesaw State U

Rejected: Carnegie Mellon, U Mich, Pace MT, Point Park, Arizona, Manhattan School of Music

Waitlisted: Baldwin Wallace

Accepted: Western Carolina, Hartt, Rider, CAP21/Malloy, Wright State, Pace Acting

D never fell into the category of “I have to go to XXXX school” or “XXXX is my dream school.” Even the “best” schools didn’t meet her requirements in each of the three disciplines. She would often lament, even before auditioning, “there’s not a school in America for me.” Either the dance was inconsistent (4 semesters of ballet, 1 semester of tap, 3 semesters of “movement for musical theatre”) or the acting inadequate, or the voice was from MT professionals not music teachers educated in vocal pedagogy. “I want to do musical theatre, but I want to train like I’m going to be a professional dancer, an opera singer, and a Shakespearean actor.”

Happily, she ended up with options. Nice options. With money. But still she worried there wouldn’t be a program that offered what she wanted. As she worked through the options, her depression deepened.

Then, we arrived a day early to Rider University to observe one of their advanced ballet classes. It was not even the most advanced MT ballet class and it was legit. All 18-20 students were MT students, but had serious ballet technique acquired before college. The teacher was former Joffrey. Robin Lewis, head of dance who recruited D, pulled us out for a meeting, and D proceeded to grill him. Can I take more dance than the MT curriculum requires? “Yes. And you can take additional classes at Princeton Ballet and take the train into NYC to take classes.” Can I take more acting? “Yes.” Can I audition for straight plays? “You are required to.” Can I continue to study classical voice? “You are required to.” Can I add TV/Film? “Yes.” Can I double major? “Yes.” Can I minor? “Yes.”

“And by the way, I have many students who graduate early.”

“And we also allow students who book national tours to “hit the pause button” and return a year later with their scholarships intact.”

“And also, 75 percent of our students last summer worked in summer stock.”

Then, in a made-for-tv moment, he leaned across the desk and said, “You just need to tell us what you want.” And the Heavens opened, and the Angels sang, “ HAAAAALLLLELUIA!”

DECISION: Rider University

Perfect! Congrats @freddieggirl’s D!!

Great story @freddieggirl, well told! Congratulations to your D!

Welcome to the Bronc Fam, @freddieggirl <3

Wow! Love that story and others that I have heard on here. Ours will be quite different. I wish I could write as well as you all! Congrats again on your daughter finding her perfect fit!

We were really impressed with Rider and their flexibility, too. Congrats!

Yay! Congrats to your D @freddieggirl! Welcome to Rider :slight_smile:

@freddieggirl. Congratulations on joining the Rider family:)

I am so excited to finally be posting in this thread!

Training: Dance- studies ballet, pointe, jazz, tap, hip hop, modern, contemporary…my D lives to dance! Also weekly private voice and intensive acting training at a non-PA high school that just has a great theater department. She has also had the opportunity to choreograph at her high school.

Summers: BAA Summer Intensives junior and senior summers, majoring in voice, acting, dance over several weeks

Applied: American, Marymount Manhattan, Montclair, Rider, Pace, NYU, Syracuse, Coastal Carolina, Temple, Muhlenberg, Point Park

Academically accepted- American, Marymount, Montclair, Rider, Pace, Coastal Carolina, Temple, Muhlenberg, Point Park; didn’t complete Syracuse application

Prescreens: Pace (passed), Syracuse (did not pass), Coastal Carolina (did not pass), Temple (passed)

Moonifieds & Unifieds: didn’t do these; made the decision to audition at all places in person

Rejected: Montclair, Pace, NYU, Point Park
Of course, these were the first 5 auditions she attended, along with being highly competitive programs. D was so nervous at some she admits she flat-out blew it at several of these auditions. Not sure if that made the difference or not, but she did become more comfortable with the process as she went along and was admitted at the last few auditions she did. We’ll never know and it really doesn’t matter at this point :slight_smile:

Waitlisted: none

Accepted: American (MT), Marymount Manhattan (MT), Rider (BA dance), Coastal Carolina (BA acting), Temple (MT), Muhlenberg (MT)

After all responses were received, D was down to Marymount Manhattan and Temple. Pros and cons to both. We went back to visit both.
Last week D had the opportunity to meet and talk to Christy Altomare (Broadway’s Anastasia); she went to D’s dance studio when she was younger. She talked to D about going with your heart when making her decision. It really helped her. While still really nervous about “what if…” (my D is a very indecisive person anyway so this was very difficult for her), today she officially committed to :

TEMPLE BFA MT!!

Everyone there has been so nice to her and have answered all of her questions and concerns. They are even working with her for a possible double-major BFA MT & BFA Dance.
Thank you all for your support throughout this long and stressful process. I thought I was losing my mind from the stress until I found this CC forum.
I have enjoyed reading about each of your journeys and wish you all the best of luck!

Congrats @jhayes000’s D!

Congrats @jhayes000 ! I have a childhood friend whose daughter will be a Freshman in BFA Dance :slight_smile:

All this scholarship talk is making me nervous… I was accepted to the OCU BFA acting with a small scholarship, and others in the BFA or even the BA seem to have recieved as much as 4x as me. I’m getting so anxious and feeling like no school is the right place for me or liked me enough, I just feel awful.

@hopefulthtr , feeling like that is normal when you read about others scholarships but remember what you see on here is just a very small group of students and parents talking about this. There are many reasons that go into why schools offer scholarship money. Being accepted into the program that you were accepted into is a great accomplishment in itself and you should feel super proud just because of that! Don’t let the talk on here become what defines your experience because cc is meant to help people and sometimes parents here just get a little excited and are so proud of their kids accomplishments that they want to tell everyone!

Congratulations to YOU, YOU did an amazing thing by being accepted to OCU BFA program!!!
(and I just saw that you were accepted to other prestigious programs as well, so please don’t let scholarship $ comparison work into your decision-go where you feel wanted and where you feel like you will grow your talent the most!)

@hopefulthtr First- Congrats on your admission to a fantastic program! Keep in mind that when people talk about scholarships and money they are often mixing and meshing complicated financial aid packages that could include any combination of merit scholarships, need based grants, and even loans. “A full-ride” can sometimes be translated as “full-need met”. And full-need met can be the equivalent of tens of thousands of loans what will eventually needed to be repaid, with interest. Talking about finances is tricky because so much information is not revealed in light conversation. (This is why my mama frowned on the practice publicly. Boards here included.) Chin up! Your future professors, directors, and classmates/castmates wont give a hoot about college admit awards.

@hopefulthtr First, keep in mind that a lot of scholarship money is often tied to need. So despite what the money is called in an aid package, some packages will be higher or lower based on EFC’s.

That said, if your EFC is low and you feel that your need is not being met by a school you want to attend, by all means try to negotiate. You can often use a higher aid package from one school to leverage more money from another school.

If in the end people received more money based on criteria like talent, academics or a combination of the two, you have to move on. There is so much subjectivity in the process and so many factors that you might not be privy too–many of which have nothing to do with levels of talent.

For example a tall male Asian tenor who dances well may get offered more money from a program than a blonde white soprano who is equally talented, just more common.

It’s wise not to compare and question yourself or your talent against others all the time in such a subjective and competitive field. That is one of the most important skills to learn as a freshman.