<p>Take a look at the starting salaries out of Wharton. 160,000 in debt is difficult to repay as a new hire out of school.</p>
<p>I would pick Stanford, but that's just me. Great weather, beautiful campus, nice scenery and is ranked as high as UPenn with about the same job prospects.</p>
<p>Sorry - completely boarder-line related; yet what are the "best" undergraduate Economics and Finance majors available in the U.S?</p>
<p>Forgot to answer the OP's question.</p>
<p>If Stanford and M&T are going to cost you the same amount of money, I would go with M&T. </p>
<p>Living far away from home for college is a great experience in independence. And I think that Penn isn't as scary as you think it is. Granted, it's not Stanford, but they really beefed up security on campus and it's not the same place it was even a few years ago. And I think you mentioned size... Penn does have a lot of students, but you don't feel like you're one of 10,000 on campus. It has a much more intimate feel than you would expect.</p>
<p>from M&T you graduate with a B.S. from the world's premier business school in addition to a B.S. from an excellent engineering program. Academically, it seems to be your best option.</p>
<p>Safety-wise you don't need to be concerned. Penn has great security and unless you travel far into the ghetto you shouldn't have a problem. </p>
<p>Living on the east coast away from your family will be a good experience. You learn to be more independant and you learn what it's like to live in an east coast city...etc. </p>
<p>Financially UCSD looks tempting but if you really want to pursue a career in finance you can't turn down wharton as it provides the best opportunities to advance in the financial services industry as compared to your other choices. Wharton is king on wall street, it has the highest number of people working on wall street as compared with any other school, it has the highest number of MDs on the street. Wharton consistently sends 300+ students EACH YEAR to major investment banking firms no other school even comes close. Finally, if you do well on wall street you can easily repay your loans in a matter of few years. Normally first year comp is in the low 100s and if you perform you can get into the high 6 figures (possibly low 7 figures) in less than 5 years.</p>
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Those are the number of ACCEPTED offers, not the number of offers.</p>
<p>When you talk about recruiting at a school, how many offers are given is more relevant the the number taken. That shows how much the company wants the students, not how much the students want the company.
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<p>No, I think it's entirely relevant because for many of these kids their end goal is to join Private Equity after banking, so why turn them down when they're offered to skip banking?</p>
<p>You could argue that maybe they have an offer from a bank with good PE placement, say -- GS and they want that modeling background that can help them when they do join PE... but still, I find it pretty hard to believe kids would just turn Apollo down.</p>
<p>Bern is a current student at Wharton, maybe he can enlighten us on PE recruitment there, how many offers go out, why kids turn them down, etc.</p>
<p>Sorry - completely boarder-line related; yet what are the "best" undergraduate Economics and Finance majors available in the U.S?</p>
<p>ElWilson, why don't you make your own thread.</p>
<p>I have - no-one's responded. lol.</p>
<p>Wharton is THE best business school. Hands down. Regardless of Undergraduate or Graduate. Wharton kicks everyone's butt.</p>
<p>"I would pick Stanford, but that's just me. Great weather, beautiful campus, nice scenery and is ranked as high as UPenn with about the same job prospects."</p>
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<li>Nobody has the same job prospects in investment banking as Wharton. Not even Harvard.</li>
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<p>"Take a look at the starting salaries out of Wharton. 160,000 in debt is difficult to repay as a new hire out of school."</p>
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<li>You must be joking.... Investment Banking pays a ton in bonuses. Even though Wharton grads will only be making maybe 55-60K base salary, many of them make the same amount in bonuses alone. </li>
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<p>conclusion: stanford is good, but it can't hold a candle to wharton in business. Hundreds of kids are accepted into stanford each year. I hope you realize that only a tiny handful are accepted into the M&T program at Wharton. Much more selective. On average, kids are definitely better than stanford kids.</p>
<p>Yeah, guys I think you misunderstood me. i am not just talking about one PE firm recruiting at a school. I am talking about PE companies in general recruiting at a school because it is rediculouly hard landing a job in it that I didn't classify it into certain companies. Overall, though Wharton had more than 4 kids going into PE so that justifies that fact that it gets recruited by PE in general. </p>
<p>dcfca: do you realize how stupid it would be to classify an exact company and its recruitment from a certain school? Especially a school like Wharton. When looking at PE recruitment you must look at overall how many kids got jobs in the PE industry and not just one company.</p>
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<p>Really? Care to back that up? I'd venture to say that Harvard and Wharton grads would be on pretty equal footing in terms of recruitment, Wharton would get a slight edge just due to the fact that they learn a lot in terms of specfic modeling so during training they don't have to pay attention as much, but I think that's about it.</p>
<p>We are getting irrational now. None of us can really prove that. Both are great , but either answer is contradictory. No one can win that argument dcfca.</p>
<p>If you know for sure you want to do investment banking not corporate finance you must go to Penn. If you want to do anything else such as working for a Fortune 500 company, accounting firm, etc then you can go to any of these three schools. There are a lot of biotech companies (not investment banks) in San Diego that recruit from UCSD.</p>
<p>"No, I think it's entirely relevant because for many of these kids their end goal is to join Private Equity after banking, so why turn them down when they're offered to skip banking?"</p>
<p>Frankly, no one knows what other offers these students were considering so there's no point in assuming that they would or would not turn down job A for job B.</p>
<p>But like I said, when you talk about who is coming to recruit at a school, you are talking about who is going there to offer students jobs, not who is taking the jobs.</p>