<p>Etoile, your project sounds like mine.
:O</p>
<p>You wouldn't happen to be studying the hippocampus of the brain would you?</p>
<p>blueducky,</p>
<p>Yeah, I am happening to be studying the hippocampus! We are mostly looking at the amygdala, but we are studying the hippocampus for Arc protein expression.</p>
<p>Wow, are you going to do Siemens as well? Do you think you will have trouble with the animal euthanization guideline? And what is your project about?</p>
<p>Haha, sorry for all of the questions :D</p>
<p>Heh, I looked at your stats, Etoile, and if you don't mind me asking, why are you pursuing science to such a level if your intended major is business? Wouldn't it make your application seem more "passionate" and focused if you were to, say start your own business, or something else of that level?</p>
<p>Are you applying to Intel? I don't know if i should bother, i mean, it's not like i have a surplus of time right now..</p>
<p>But yea, my project is on the effects of different anesthetics on CA1 of the hippocampus. I am currently doing experiments, but it seems like it's going nowhere! ahh.</p>
<p>i think animal euthanization is allowed -- see:</p>
<p>Siemens</a> Competition</p>
<p>Vertebrates
My research project involves working with live vertebrates (including human subjects). Is this allowed?</p>
<p>Research projects involving live vertebrates are allowed only under the following conditions: </p>
<p>The project is not behavioral science.
The research must be approved by an Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee (IACUC) or Institutional Review Board (IRB); a high school IRB is not permitted.
The research must be conducted in a registered institution or laboratory.</p>
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<p>My research project involves examining tissue of a vertebrate that was initially collected for another research experiment. I was not involved in that experiment. Tissues were provided to me. Is my project allowed?</p>
<p>You may examine fluids, cells, tissues, or organs if the materials were supplied to you by the supervising scientist and any animal was euthanized for a purpose other than your research. Your research must be conducted in a registered institution or laboratory where this type of experimentation is authorized. The supervising scientist is required to complete Section V of the Mentor Form. The form requires the Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee (IACUC) approval or Institution Review Board (IRB) approval, when applicable.</p>
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<p>well, i was considering pre-med before, but even now, i can't find any good business extracurriculars besides joining future business leaders of america... the companies around here don't accept high school interns or volunteers and i have no idea about how to start my own business...
any ideas? :)</p>
<p>no, i'm not applying to intel because winner results come back too late to put it on my resume (i kno that sounds bad, but i don't have much time either)</p>
<p>i feel the same way! we just got our first results back, and it was all inconclusive! we're not even sure we're going to get any significant results at all and the grad students don't start looking at brain tissue until august or september! grr... it's so frustrating.</p>
<p>we're studying the effects of intra-basolateral amygdala infusions of clenbuterol on the consolidation of memory and Arc expression...hehe that was long</p>
<p>i'm still not sure...the tissues were not collected for another research experiment...it was the same experiment, but the grad students are using it for a different purpose...
don't know if that counts?</p>
<p>i sent an email to siemens a long time ago but they apparently ignored it :(</p>
<p>I think you are still fine under these regulations: </p>
<p>Research projects involving live vertebrates are allowed only under the following conditions: </p>
<p>The project is not behavioral science.
The research must be approved by an Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee (IACUC) or Institutional Review Board (IRB); a high school IRB is not permitted.
The research must be conducted in a registered institution or laboratory.</p>
<p>there are lots of business geniuses on CC, you should do a search and ask them for help! i don't know much about this, i'm doing pre-med :)</p>
<p>wow your description of your project sounds neat -- may i ask, how did you land your internship? was it difficult? mine sure was - i applied to 5, got into 1, but fortunately it was the one that i wanted to do the most! really stressful march of my junior year though lol : SAT I's, applications, JR PROM, and 5 AP's looming over my head</p>
<p>ok, if you think i'm fine, i think i'm fine too!</p>
<p>for my internship, we had to be nominated by our science teacher and fill out an application, write some short essays. each school selects one or two students to send to the internship program. it wasn't really THAT difficult, they just wanted people with past research experience, such as science fair :)</p>
<p>where are you doing your internship?</p>
<p>and that's exactly how i felt through junior year and i still feel that now, applying to college... except we didn't have jr prom (since our school is too big) and i only had 4 APs lol</p>
<p>Is it true that team projects are less prestigious than individual projects? And also, I've heard that semifinalist means a lot less than regional finalist. Is this true?</p>
<p>Who cares man? Give it a rest about the prestigious factor. Just do your best and hope it takes you somehwere. Totally defeating the purpose when you ask that question.</p>
<p>Siemens Regional Finalist (at the individual project level) means that your project is in the top five for your geographic region. There are six geographic regions -- College Board had a map of the various regions on its Siemens website last year, as it is a co-sponsor. A Siemens National Finalist is someone who won the regional competition -- so there are only six individual projects at the Siemens Finals. </p>
<p>For group projects, there are 3-5 groups at each regional, and one group advances from each to the National Finals.</p>
<p>This is different from Intel STS, where the Finalists are the top 40 nationwide and it is all individual projects.</p>
<p>Also, do you guys know about how many apply each year, from what regions?</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Can we write in the first person?
"we used these for this part of the experiment", since it is hard to avoid using these AND not fall into the passive voice.</p></li>
<li><p>What kind of a conclusion do we have to reach</p></li>
</ol>
<p>I usually see people write "we did blah blah blah" but I see "Blah blah blah was done" more often.</p>
<p>I donno, all the winning projects I've seen have reached a conclusion that their project rocks.</p>
<p>And sorry to hijack this thread, but I just need to ask 1 question and I didn't want to start a new thread:
20 pages? What? All the articles I've read pertaining to my subject ... well, they rarely reach 20 pages unless it's a book. If they're looking for up to 20 pages, do they want us to talk about all the background work we've done? For example, if I were focusing on digital signal processing, and I used a certain method to preprocess the data should I just write down, "I used this method" or should it be more of a "I used this method and this is how the method works"? </p>
<p>I know that in the bio papers I've read, they always write down what they did in a separate "Methods" section but I've never seen this for a computer science project.</p>
<p>"My" project is kind of tanking right now--
this other girl at my internship is giving me doubts about submitting my project
according to her, all we've done this summer is collect data for our professor and it's not really "our" independent project. we haven't done much analysis with the data/or conclusions were reached, but they were already deduced by our professor, etc.</p>
<p>I don't know if i should still enter "my project" anymore.</p>
<p>I've been wondering about that too. Based on what i've heard, most projects really are mostly done by the professor. Very very few students who place in Intel manage to make their own idea or be a critical part of a research project done by a professor. Some internships even have a professor set up a project for you to do, and it'll be his idea, but you do the work. And you're still allowed to enter competitions.</p>
<p>source: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/high-school-life/528169-isef-intel-etc.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/high-school-life/528169-isef-intel-etc.html</a></p>
<p>Sorry, but does anyone know?</p>
<p>the general rule is to write in the passive voice for research papers...it's to focus on the research and not on what you did (besides, many professional papers are authored by multiple people)</p>
<p>What if you write your paper on the professor's project, that you worked on with him? Isn't that stealing an idea?</p>
<p>Did you contribute significantly to the prof's project as in developed some of the methods, did most of the experimentation, analysis, etc. on your own?</p>
<p>idk. A friend claims he's gonna enter a research competition, but he simply interns at a lab with a professor. He's working with the professor. Is it possible to enter research competitions if you only help/intern with the professor?</p>
<p>^ Ask your professor. I guess I was lucky in that I was given a data set and was told basically "see what you find." So, though the data may not be mine, I made new and original conclusions that have never been published.</p>
<p>I would also say it looks far more prestigious if you are published in a peer-reviewed publication. So that's another route - though sometimes, even harder than Intel/Siemens</p>