<p>Fisher may have not been the best plaintiff, but I still think the case is worthy of Supreme Court consideration. IMHO, the UT case is at the epicenter of where people are seriously arguing over AA. UT seems to be saying that they need AA in addition to the 10% because otherwise they do not get high SES blacks and Latinos - yet that seems to be the group that many Americans are questioning AA for.</p>
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<p>Isn’t there some program in place to do summertime remedial review or otherwise participate in an academic support network?</p>
<p>@LoremIpsum,</p>
<p>Sure, UT is very aware that AA and Hispanic’s are underperforming, based on graduation rates. One of the most effective ways to raise URM grad rates, is by increasing the number(and %) of highly qualified/performing URMs (typically high SES students)…by bringing them in thru the holistic portion of admissions…which is how we’ve gotten to this spot. That’s who UT was targeting, High SES students, by giving points for race.</p>
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<p>Bravo-Not a case worthy of the supreme court. Fisher is not complaint worthy. BTW one has to consider that the very top students in Texas likely prefer the Ivy league. After that the next level are likely getting admitted to UTA. Apparently, the conservatives had to reach pretty far down the barrel to come up with the likes of Fisher.</p>
<p>sosomenza, I’m going to give you 100 lashes with a string of soft cooked spaghetti if you continue to refer to UT as UTA. They are SO not the same thing.</p>
<p>I say this as someone who has close connections to UTA and attended UT.</p>
<p>Got it-Thanks</p>
<p>^^^Okay, good. Don’t make me hurt you. :D</p>
<p>UTA is UT-Arlington. UT is UT-Austin. Never the two shall mix, lol.</p>
<p>Questions raised in this thread have prompted me to look at my HS’s graduating class this year. This is a top public program in Texas. Of the 20+ top 10% grads, only six kids are staying in Texas, four at UT, one at A&M and one at Rice. Two of the four UT kids are Turing Scholars, and one is in Plan II.</p>
<p>Nrdsb, you crack me up. I also have ties to both UT and UTA. Like nails on a chalkboard.</p>
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<p>If Fisher doesn’t have standing, it doesn’t matter how much people care about the issues in the case, or how badly the Justices want to reach the issues. If the plaintiff doesn’t have standing, SCOTUS is constitutionally prohibited from reaching any decision at all in this case, except to throw it out on grounds the Court doesn’t have jurisdiction and the case should never have been brought.</p>
<p>BC – I think that in theory Fisher could have standing and yet not be the best plaintiff. Two different things. Whether you or I think Fisher has standing, doesn’t matter, the SCOTUS did.</p>
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<p>No, SCOTUS hasn’t ruled Fisher has standing. They decided to hear her case but there certainly have been cases where the Court granted cert and heard oral arguments and only later decided that the plaintiff didn’t have standing. Justice Ginsberg raised the question of standing at oral argument. I think there’s still a very real chance the case could be thrown out on that basis, but we shall see.</p>
<p>^^Similarly, the Court could throw out the Prop 9 case, due to lack of standing…</p>
<p>back to Texas…</p>
<p>What is prop 9?</p>
<p>My prediction : Fisher loses; Roberts writes the majority opinion, Scalia the minority opinion.</p>
<p>My prediction – UT loses, but very narrowly defined decision. AA stays alive, but limits on.</p>
<p>Since I am a real amateur about how SCOTUS operates, I am just guessing. As to a specific remedy for the young woman, I don’t think she should be getting anything since the fact that race is the mix is not the thing that is keeping her out of UT-Austin. However, as a general policy, given the composition of the Court, and with Kagan out of the picture on this one, I think that it is going to be very close, a tie, in fact, but that race will still be a permitted factor of consideration in holistic admissions. </p>
<p>I guess the main question is whether enough justices (or in this case Kennedy, Roberts, Ailo) feel that it is time to get rid of Affirmative Action. Is this to be the case that makes it so that admissions to college/program has to be truly color blind? My feeling, and pure personal feeling, it is, is that it’s not yet time, but not long in coming either.</p>
<p>Sorry, this might’ve been answered already, but what happens if they tie? Does it stand?</p>
<p>I think if it were tied, the appeals court decision, which held in UT’s favor would stand, but realistically then I suspect there will be a lot of arm twisting.</p>
<p>Thanks, kayf.</p>