<p>BTW CPU, even a woman OB/GYN has likely only experienced a fraction of the conditions that women are subject to by virtue of the anatomy and physiology which is different from that of the male. The point I and some others were making is that it really ISN’T all that far from insisting a brain surgeon understand what it’s like to have a tumor, or expecting any number of other doctors to have had the experience of the patient in order to have proper empathy and to be a proper caregiver. This is no lecture, but simply food for thought.</p>
<p>Not sure how the thread got diverted to this point, but the SCOTUS really needs to make their decision so everyone can get back to arguing as to the implications.</p>
<p>Could this statistic be suggesting that GPAs from low income area schools are not comparable to GPAs from higher income area schools? </p>
<p>In my opinion, it would make sense that students from poor schools would underperform those from higher income schools with similar GPAs, given the poor standard of education at poor schools. I am not sure this statistic is saying anything about the capacity of kids to improve vs kids who have not demonstrated a capacity to improve.</p>
<p>CPU, I think most folks understand your point, but the male OB/GYN example is horrible. A lot of folks posting on this thread are parents. When our children where being born, we wanted the best OB/GYN in that room with us at 3:00 am in the morning…regardless of sex.
Your example re-enforces our bias that the best should be teaching regardless of race, sex or creed. It over shadows your valid points.</p>
<p>And naive. As OB in particular becomes more and more a group practice-thing, there is no guarantee that the female doc that you have seen for ~9 months will be on call when the water breaks. It could be the new, young resident guy. Or, the old guy who is nearing retirement.</p>
<p>Hmmm, seems that most ob/gyn physicians are female anyway. I looked up the listings at two nearby large group practices and found that over 80% of the ob/gyn physicians listed are female at those two large group practices.</p>
<p>It also appears that most primary care (internal or family) physicians are female.</p>
<p>So women should not have too much trouble finding a female primary care or ob/gyn physician. Indeed, if a man wants a primary care physician who is more likely to have personal experience with male-specific issues, he may find it harder to find one.</p>
<p>Of course, in an urgent or emergency situation, one would typically be less picky.</p>
<p>again, ucb, your use of numbers serves to reinforce my point, (even tho I’m sure that you intended otherwise.)</p>
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<p>Let’s see, the simple SAT/ACT math problem would conclude that 20% of OB’s are therefore male. </p>
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<p>When the water breaks, and the woman goes into labor, it is not an emergency (in 99% of the cases). A mom-to-be takes/gets whoever is on-call that day/night. And based on your two anecdotes, that would be a 20% chance of being male on call, or 1:5 that CPU would have a male deliverer. To ignore that fact is naive, IMO.</p>
<p>btw: with the new health care legislation, group practices are bound to grow.</p>
<p>After graduating near the top of a poorly performing mid. school, my son did poorly in freshman year at a competitive HS. However, by the time he graduated from HS he was outperforming most of his peers (measured by performance on PSAT, SAT, AP Test scores). So, I can see why low SES kids with comparable SAT and GPA stats would underperform in freshman or even sophomore year, as they try to catch up academically. what I’d like to know is, how do these kids do in junior and senior year of college? I wonder if anyone has studied the GRE scores of these kids?</p>
<p>Medical care was already trending toward large group practices before PPACA. It was already getting difficult to find a primary care physician outside of a large group practice.</p>
<p>I wrote previously that the SAT <em>slightly</em> overpredicts the college grades of low-SES students, but my main point was that it does not underpredict. Looking at the paper I cited, the magnitude of the overprediction is less than 0.1 of a grade point (where the difference between an A and a B is one grade point).</p>
<p>I;m surprised the SC has not made a ruling on this case already. It usually reserves the big decisions to the end. There is another AA college case on the horizon and I wonder if they are not going delay the decision on this one and pair it with the other for next season.</p>
You said that “all the research in the world doesn’t make up for actual experiences” and that an “Hispanic or AA teacher will be a lot more connected to the material and wouldn’t make such generalizations because they know what it’s like to be generalized, stigmatized, and discriminated against” (post #714). Having the potential to develop a brain tumor is not actual experience with a brain tumor and does not give awareness of what it is like to undergo brain surgery.</p>
<p>I agree that personal experience can offer a lot of value. I don’t agree with the generalization that white instructors will generalize about the experiences of minorites.</p>
<p>You are entitled to your own opinions and it is not my business to try to change your mind. However, if you post your opinions on a public forum you should expect people to discuss them and maybe even disagree.</p>
<p>And I think college admissions should primarily about distributing educational resources such that a university has the most positive social impact that it can.</p>
<p>Well EYE think that education should be like Congress … you need to be a millionaire to participate. (It’s the perfect model for public education. What’s more public than politics?!?) Then we pass a law that any job paying more than say $45,000 be done by individuals who graduated under this new system, and voila … done!</p>
<p>Slightly over-predicts would mean these low SES students are underperforming other students with similar SAT scores/ high school GPAs. Or have I misunderstood?</p>
<p>I was just saying this is to be expected if these low SES students attended underperforming schools. In other words a student with a 4.0 from a low income area school may not know as much as a kid with a 4.0 from a wealthy competitive suburban school, even if they have comparable SAT scores. Consequently, the low SES kid may underperform in freshman year in college.</p>
<p>“The holding is because the Fifth Circuit did not hold the university to the demanding burden of strict scrutiny articulated in Grutter and Bakke, its decision afffiming the district court’s grant of summary judgment was incorrect.”</p>