<p>ACCecil, obviously grad is better! but the point is not relying on your ONLY degree being SM. Having a finance BS with a SM MS is a bit different than an SM BS.</p>
<p>ACCecil, obviously grad is better! but the point is not relying on your ONLY degree being SM. Having a finance BS with a SM MS is a bit different than an SM BS. </p>
<p>-yup. </p>
<p>Hi there, we’d like you to come back to earth now where we have been talking about SM undergrad for a few days now. </p>
<p>Obviously, nobody but you is talking about Grad programs which are, of course, a totally different subject. </p>
<p>-I am talking about both. You should consider reading before talking but I am sure you won’t read that either. </p>
<p>-Get a SM BS combine it with a Bus Admin BS and then get to a kick ass grad school for SM + Mgmt or something. I know some people like “Sports” MBA’s but here again they sound cute but make sure to look at what they mean by that. </p>
<p>-People slap an “MBA” on something and act like it is waving a magic wand. There are no magic wands. </p>
<p>-On that point I am sure we agree.</p>
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<p>Even hear you say you need to combine it with another degree. So I’ll say it again, SM undergrad degree alone is worthless. I’ll also say that if you have to stay extra time to get both the BS-BA and the BS-SM it wouldn’t be worth it.</p>
<p>Do you mean Keenan-Flagler Business school at UNC? Or is there some other Flagler school? IDK.</p>
<p>If you insist on an undergrad degree in sports management, take enough classes to do well on the LSAT and get your law degree. That would be best.</p>
<p>Law degrees are for lawyers. Getting a law degree takes a considerable amount of time, work and money. So how exactly is it best? </p>
<p>Some people don’t want to be agents. For an agent, yes, get a law degree, no doubt, so you can negotiate contracts. But there are dozens of other jobs in the sports field that one can get training for with a SM degree. </p>
<p>I mentioned marketing earlier. </p>
<p>Don’t think for one second a typical, general marketing class is the same class as a specialized sports marketing class. Trust me they are not the same. Like I said, don’t believe everything you read on a message board. Think critically and find out as much as you can from multiple sources and then do what is best for you. </p>
<p>Obviously, the first step is to define as closely as possible what career you want. Then identify what skills you need to get that career. Then figure out what programs teach those skills. Then pray a lot. </p>
<p>One last piece of advice. </p>
<p>A general degree can be just as worthless as a specialist degree (or what pls called “narrow”). They both have flaws. Thus, it is best to combine.</p>
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<p>This is a good point, except that having a sports management degree…</p>
<p>Well, the best thing to do is to study what interests you, though a finance degree would be better.</p>
<p>The OP said he wanted to be a soccer agent, which is why I made the law degree point earlier in the thread, ACCecil</p>
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<p>So, yeah, I will go back to my original post, then.</p>
<p>ACCecil let’s think about something here. Your son says he wants to do SM. So you contact an advisor at USC or UMass and say “Hey my son wants to do SM, what do you think?” Do you think they’re going to say “No, it’s worthless”? Of course not. They’re going to tell you their program is fantastic and will give him all kinds of opportunities, they’re trying to sell their program.</p>
<p>The “critical thinking” should come from looking at what the Alumni are doing and from a quick glance at both I can tell you that while some seem to be doing sports related things it is obvious they aren’t placing students at a high rate. If they were they would have something that said “X% of our recent graduating class has been placed in sport management positions”. However, both USC and UMass have 2 or 3 alumni talking about how their college educations allowed them to succeed. Yea, bull*****.</p>
<p>I don’t know if you’re just lying to yourself or if you really believe any “Sports Marketing” class will honestly make you qualified to work in sports. Wow, so your son will know how to…sell tickets? And that’s something NOBODY else could learn, right? Oh yea that’s right, anyone who gets a job with a team will learn that on the job. </p>
<p>What in the world makes you believe you have to “specialize” to work in sports? Sports is just a business…there is no need to specialize in anything for it.
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<p>…!!! Oh, crap…that’s what the schools and sports franchises hire lawyers for…</p>
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<p>AHAHA! I can’t believe I missed this before! You’re telling me that SM gives you “marketable” skills over any other business major? Sir, you are SO delusional. There is absolutley not a single job that a SM major could do that any other major could do. There are ZERO marketable skills that come with that major. </p>
<p>Picture this…</p>
<p>You walk into an interview for an entry-level position for a sports team right after someone from a top business school or ivy who has a Finance/Accounting/Economics degree. He/she already has knowledge about why the market would work the way it does and in-depth methods of what they need to do to make a profit. DON’T WORRY though you have taken classes on ticket sales, stadium promotions, and (here is the real gem) NCAA regulations! Goodness you’re going to blow that guy who is interviewing you (who has probably seen thousands of SM majors walk through his door who have ZERO clue about business, and he’s probably an MBA/BBA guy) away.</p>
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<h1>1…Which ones? Neither UMass or SC promoted how well they place students. #2 You honestly think that any other T-25 business school won’t be able to place students in sports at a much better rate?</h1>
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<p>This is the recruiter talking - “Our MS program is much better than those dumb MBA programs! <strong>cough</strong> We don’t have an MBA program of course <strong>cough</strong>”. MBAs are more heavily recruited by every industry than any MS program. That’s just a fact.</p>
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<p>Marketing majors are just a step above the SM majors. Both are incredibly wasteful degrees, so you’re not fighting anyone here. </p>
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<p>Honestly I am starting to think you’ve never been a businessman. The best combination you can have is two degrees that can be applied through broad ranges of tasks (Econ+Finance, Acct+Econ, Acct+MIS, Acct+Finance, Finance+MIS). You’ve been out of the game a while and I can tell you every recruiter I have ever met has said that they like to see those type of combinations if you will double major. I’ve NEVER heard one say “we want a broad degree and a specialist degree”. </p>
<p>Yea, I could keep going but this will go nowhere. ACCecil is just someone who has convinced himself that his son’s chosen path isn’t going to be one filled with much more difficulty than others (MUCH MORE). The fact that he honestly believe that a SM major is a better choice in the long run says enough for me. The facts are there and the facts say that a vast majority of SM majors will never get that sports team job. It’s clear to everyone in business that to succeed you have to bring a broad depth of knowledge of the business world to the table, for whatever reason, this guy didn’t get that. I guess that why he is now teaching accounting classes instead of working as a businessman.</p>
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<p>Are you done yet? Do you feel better now? </p>
<p>The only thing anyone here needs to think about is why you hate SM degrees so much. If you don’t like them so much don’t get one. But why are you so worried about what other people do? </p>
<p>My oldest son hasn’t made up his mind yet where he wants to go to school or what he wants to major in. I’m not worried about it. We’ll find something. </p>
<p>I hope the OP got some info out of this thread. It isn’t easy out there.</p>
<p>plscatamacchia, he or she or whatsoever seems like a person who just wants to critize other people who stand against him, and he thinks he knows everything and telling you all the absolute truth, his attitude just sickens me. Anyhow, plscatamacchia earlier you said name one specific agent who has a sports management degree, just go to James Grant Sports Management (the best soccer agency in the USA) and see what most of agents majored in. </p>
<p>And ACCe thanks for helping me. It seems like it’s going be to good for me if I get a law degree since I want to become a soccer agent. Therefore, now what I am trying to do is going to UMass and major in sports management, and go to law school. Oh, if you know any law school which has the best sports law programme pls let me know. Thanks.</p>
<p>When u get a law degree, w/e your undergrad is pretty much is ignored, so saying that most agents in this program have an SM degree is irrelevant, because they have a law degree. You could major in basket weaving and get a law degree, and you are just as qualified (im exaggerating clearly, but for sports agency, SM+law is not the key…whatever+LAW is the key)</p>
<p>Why isn’t SM+law degree the key? I see many soccer agents with SM degree do real well in the field. And most of them don’t even have law degrees.</p>
<p>I see one guy working for them who got a masters in SM and one guy who got his BA in SM. I didn’t anything bad about the MA. And I said an industry leader. Still looking for that.</p>
<p>Also I said that the UK had very good SM programs so I didn’t even look at them. UK schools=/=US schools.</p>
<p>The only thing you should take away from that agency is how small the market is in the US for soccer agents</p>
<p>Haha you told me to name one specific guy so i named one and now you are saying that you were not talking about UK sports management programme? haha what a nonsense. I think you still haven’t got the point. I am telling you there are numorous good soccer agents who actually majored in SM. I hope you at least do some researches about soccer agent before give me advice haha.</p>
<p>From the FIRST page. </p>
<p>“And understand that if you’re talking about European agents the educational systems cannot be compared. My management teacher is British. He always talks about how good some of the SM programs are over there and how the ones in the US are terrible.”</p>
<p>You can’t compare UK schools with US programs so my point still stands.</p>
<p>I just read the entire 3 page conversation about this **** and to be honest you all (except for the leader guy) sound like complete ******bags. Although ACCe had some good points about the law degree stuff.</p>
<p>You bumped an old thread to contribute nothign but to say we’re all d-bag?</p>
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<p>Haha… Was a fun read though</p>
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<p>I am interning with a major league sports team this year as a freshman accounting major with a philosophy minor. </p>
<p>Case closed…</p>
<p>My interviewer (and future supervisor) explicitly asked me if I planned to enter the sports management industry. When I said no, she basically said thank God. Why? The MLB team I will be working for has a full-time staff of little over 150 people and a seasonal staff in excess of 4000. The biggest department is, you guessed it, the ACCOUNTING department, a group of people who are actually trained to do something.</p>
<p>With the logic you pro-sports management people are saying, then the Big 4 and every managerial consulting firm is illegitimate. The employees these firms use for a certain client, such as a pharmaceutical company, do not necessarily have a deep understanding of pharmacy or have a “pharmacy management” degree. They, instead, know business and can as such apply it to most every business context. </p>
<p>You can add basically any industry in front of the word “management” to make a major. Sports is not different. Ultimately, a management major is pretty useless on its own, so adding a random industry like sports renders the major even more useless. </p>
<p>Any potential candidate for the business world needs common sense; where in the business world will you “manage” or “business administrate” as a entry-level job? Nowhere. Where will you “manage” in a sports capacity? Using my example and the overwhelming evidence else where, nowhere x10</p>
<p>Lastly, I love the people who come asking a question and become defensive after receiving a response. I am glad immature people such as the OP are going to Flagler College and not my school.</p>