<p>@nynyparent: One thing to keep in mind is that my list is based solely on matriculation statistics and that the Forbes list is only 50% based on matriculation statistics and 50% on other factors (in some not clearly defined fashion). That may account for some of the differences you’re noticing. If Forbes more clearly defined their methodology, I might try to reproduce their list while substituting my matriculation statistics ranking for theirs.</p>
<p>It’s midnight on the East Coast. Not everywhere! CC is not confined to the East Coast, it’s all pervading, lol.</p>
<p>i’m sorry but several posters like pulsar are truly uninformed about the nature of the schools that make up this list, particularly the nyc schools. are there going to be a disproportionate number of kids with parents with high incomes and/or strong educational backgrounds, of course, because they tend to be most aware of the benefits of that kind of educational environment and therefore the applicant pool is disproportionately filled with those people. but, this is nyc (mostly manhattan) residents. the same would be true at elite publics as well or public schools in wealthy areas in general that are not selective in admissions. i think people who have not attended these schools think, like some people has said, that it is like gossip girl or other depictions of snobby kids that go to private schools in movies and tv. these super elite schools are where they are because of academics, hard work, and the talents and accomplishments of the students inside and outside of the classroom (and there are poor kids and middle class kids that go as well). there are tons of expensive private schools for rich snobby kids and they ARE NOT these schools. there are just as many rich kids at dwight, calhoun, berkeley carroll, and birch wathen lenox as horace mann, trinity, dalton, brearley, and collegiate. they aren’t at the latter as opposed to the former because they had more money. the development case admits are, like people have said, a handful of kids in any given years at the Ivies/Stanford/MIT and usually it is not just money but power/celebrity that plays a big role as well, and the kids are usually pretty talented/qualified but just securing their spot as opposed to buying it. in general though, colleges actually DISCRIMINATE against students from these types of schools today because they recognize the stereotypes and adjust accordingly to make sure their freshmen class is not filled with elite prep school kids despite how amazing and DIVERSE these applicants are.</p>
<p>Ballyhoo… Join date Dec 2005, no. of posts = 2 including this one explains it all. It ain’t hurt to see one more spin doc, does it?</p>
<p>Here is what Winterset posted on another thread: Quote:</p>
<p>A few initial thoughts on the Forbes List:
- Well you have to move to attend (most of the top are day schools)
- Better apply in Kindergarten, because many of them are K-12, with few openings in 9th or above.
- For many of them you better be VERY well connected, even in Kindergarten.
- Most have “Associate” faculty members or interns from local Education colleges (oh they DO have a masters degree but not experience).
- The Student faculty ratios seem to include coaches (amusingly most have masters degrees), this does help their student:teacher ratios.
- Scholarships are much more limited and diversity is defined as multiple zip codes. </p>
<p>[thread=920826]Hopkins, Hotchkiss, Choate, Taft. Post#8[/thread]</p>
<p>a little late, but had to respond to rebelangel’s staement that “there are the few token scholarship kids to help the rich and well networked feel better about themselves. But, mostly it’s the same greasy wheel being greased again. It’s a way of life, a fact of life.”</p>
<p>Just FYI, our experience at Roxbury Latin day school in Boston has been different than that.</p>
<p>1 - a little over 1/3 of the students receive financial aid, and I recall the average award being about $14k (tuition is just over $20k this year)
2 - while there are a share of extremely wealthy families at RL - and that’s showing more now that we’re getting closer to graduation - there are also a slew of middle class<br>
kids, too, enough so that our kid didn’t feel overwhelmed by the privileged vibe that RA describes at other schools
3- I can’t speak to the private connections that result in Ivy admissions for the 25-35% fo the RL boys who go to the HYPed schools . . . that said, HYP admits from RL are clustered among its top students; that is, most of the HYPed admits are from boys who have received the highest grades at RL, and they do not grade on the socio-economic curve there</p>
<p>Kei-o-Lei, RebelAngel is talking about NYC Day schools.</p>
<p>I think it’s impossible to create a top 20 list such as this one, without excluding a number of schools which very much belong there. ( Hotchkiss is a perfect example ).</p>
<p>Having said that, there was a suggestion early in the thread that Horace Mann should not be on the list. The suggestion is absurd ( excuse me ). I just went through the full admissions process to both NYC Day and top boarding schools, and I would like to think that I’ve done my homework. The NYC Day list might as well start with HM, IMHO.</p>
<p>Just one person’s data point.</p>
<p>Here then are what the HM alum and other Forbes readers think about it. 
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<p>Pulsar said: “Kei-o-Lei, RebelAngel is talking about NYC Day schools.”</p>
<p>Pulsar, you are invited to go back and reread post #25 - the one I got the RA quote from - THEN tell me again that the post was limited to NYC day schools.</p>
<p>P.S. You aren’t from the NYC area, are you?</p>
<p>PULSAR IS A ■■■■■</p>
<p>it claims to a parent yet writes like a teenager.</p>
<p>and contradicts itself all over the forum I can’t believe people have not realized this before</p>
<p>I don’t believe, as my father’s friend from russia used to say</p>
<p>Does she write like a teenager? Not that obvious to me.</p>
<p>How does she contradict herself all over the forum?</p>
<p>Kei-O-Lei, You are right about Boston area schools in RebelAngels post. We had subsequent discussion about NYC schools. I know RL subsidizes tuition from endowment and attracts more need blind talent. RL is an exception, not the rule. Our discussion still pretty much applies to rest of the schools. From you posts, I know you are a passionate supporter/parent of RL. That’s wonderful.</p>
<p>No. I’m not from NYC. I visited and loved it. Very cosmopolitan.</p>
<p>I agree with Hcos. No respectable adult cares that much about grammar and spelling on an internet forum. Furthermore almost every post I see Pulsar make is inflammatory. Regardless of whether Pulsar is a ■■■■■, adult, or kid, there is no need for that on this forum.</p>
<p>On the topic of the actual thread. I think the list is largely biased and the fact that college matrics are 50% of the rating is ridiculous.</p>
<p>If lax is life, what are you doing here? Ha, got a second one. :D</p>
<p>You are without a doubt a 13 year old kid. To answer your question Benley, see the preceding posts.</p>
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Pulsar…
Alright do you get what a “joke” means? Do you know words like “metaphor” and “figurative”?</p>
<p>Get to the topic.
Why are people so obsessed with rankings?</p>
<p>Because they are obsessive. :D</p>
<p>OK maybe pulsa is a teenager or a very playful adult</p>
<p>I was born and raised in Manhattan, I have to say never, ever did we refer to the private schools as prep schools. The first time I heard the NYC schools referred as such was from that ridiculous reality tv show and then once in awhile on CC. My classmates, friends, parents, teachers had at no time referred to their schools as prep schools. We also knew that when referring to prep school that it was boarding school. I realize times have changed as there are now yellow school buses every other block up and down Park Ave. to take some of these kids only 10 blocks away. We all took the public buses and some the subway (or walked!) being in a City with the most efficient and proficient public transportation system in the Country.</p>