<p>WhydoIcare – wow.wow. just wow – if disclosures have been made used agaisnt DAD in the past, maybe dad was hiding money.</p>
<p>i do agree, contact an Ill lawyer and good luck. It may if dad moved first, and kid no longer lives in florida, ill will take jurisdiction.</p>
<p>My mom has never used info about my dad’s money against him, he is just stupid. She knows his date of birth, social security number, address, etc. and everything about his job (my mom actually found the job and applied for him).</p>
<p>Does anyone have any advice on how I could convince him to just fill out the forms?</p>
<p>I have never filed taxes, but considering my mom already knows my dad’s SS# and his approximate salary plus other info, what else could be on there that could possibly be “dangerous” for him? (honestly I think it is his con-artist of a wife that he has now that doesn’t want him to fill out the paper work)</p>
<p>May I suggest that you try to mend fences with your dad over this summer. </p>
<p>If he feels like all you want from him is his info for financial aid, he will resist you. But if he knows you want a relationship he might become more amenable to help.</p>
<p>Bruin, have you explained to him that he may be ordered, by a judge, to pay MORE toward your college costs if he DOESN’T fill in the paperwork? That it’s something that might help EVERYBODY? </p>
<p>IMHO, folks who won’t submit paperwork usually have something to hide. Eg. my x…
However, filling out the non-custodial form does not mean that anyone other than the school sees it – I never saw my x’s.
-Tell him that too! That may be what he’s worried about most. He can just submit it straight to FA.</p>
<p>Does anyone think there is a chance the OP’s mom can bring suit in IL, or am I the only doubter?</p>
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<p>some things that you need to take into consideration:</p>
<p>In the state of Illinois, child support obligations ends once the child turns 18. Has your mother started the proceedings yet? When will you be 18?</p>
<p>Currently in IL. non-custodial support is based on a flat percentage of your father’s net income and the number of children.</p>
<p>you have 3 other siblings. Based on 4 children, he would be obligated to pay 40% of his net income. This may sound great on the surface but the state takes the following into consideration:</p>
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<p>Lets say your father makes $1000 per week. After taxes, he brings home 650. his support obligation (40%) will be $260 per week. The court may find that your father does not make enough money to pay for college as he will have $390 a week to pay rent, food, transportation costs, etc. They have to allow him to live.</p>
<p>Once you turn 18, his support obligation will decrease to 32% (208/week based on the same example)</p>
<p>Child support must be included on your FAFSA and considered income, this will raise your mom’s EFC (I do not know how much will be offset by the fact that she has 3 other children). at $208/week, her income will increase by $10,816/year until your younger siblings turn 18.</p>
<p>One of the things you can and should consider is trying to educate your father on the financial aid process. Let him know that for schools that use the non custodial profile, they will not share his financial information with your mother.</p>
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<p>Also find out if you would be considered in-state as some of the university of illinois public colleges (to help expand your list of financial safety schools). In state tuition is 11,636 year </p>
<p>[U</a> of I Records: 2012-2013 Academic Year Undergrad Base Tuition Rate](<a href=“http://www.registrar.illinois.edu/financial/tuition_1213/AY/ugrad_base.html]U”>http://www.registrar.illinois.edu/financial/tuition_1213/AY/ugrad_base.html)</p>
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<p>Hopefully you and both of your parents can work together to create a in-win situation.</p>
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<p>Sybbie, you’re missing, from the link I posted earlier:</p>
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<p>And it then goes on to list some of the factors a judge is likely to take into consideration.</p>
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<p>I am not a lawyer, but I have looked at some cases where jurisdiction is an issue, and I can attest that they often turn on highly technical and contested points of law - IOW, I don’t think anyone can really advise the poster on that issue - probably not even a lawyer unless there were more specific facts on the table.</p>
<p>Don’t fathers(NCP) usually stop paying child support at the age of 18 in most states? I know that here in CT they do… then what is her mother to do? She can no longer count that as income right?</p>
<p>“wow.wow. just wow” - funny, that’s what I thought reading the whole thread this morning. @OP, may I suggest that you refrain from using contemptuous terms like stupid, con-artist of a wife, scare him, force him, he joined the military for all the wrong reasons, etc. (BTW, what are the wrong reasons? My son will be contracting through ROTC and I would sure like to know what the right vs. wrong reasons might be.) I don’t think you can write all that on the Internet, and not have it bleed through into your direct communications with him. If he’s proud of serving in the military, then a crack like that would be particularly offensive. Let’s assume for the moment that his wife loves and supports him; attacking her won’t get you anywhere close to what you want.</p>
<p>I’m not really in your Dad’s position, but I can give you some idea of how he’s thinking. He’s got a kid who clearly sides with Mom, and now comes to him only for money or financial information. Sure, the college won’t disclose his financials but the basics can be reverse-engineered from the EFC and Mom’s inputs. This is an entanglement that he just doesn’t want. Are you and Mom going to respect him any more if he complies?</p>
<p>So, as several others suggested, I think you should be planning on schools that don’t require NCP information.</p>
<p>Just to set the record straight, I am pretty sure that the jurisdiction for child support will be moved to Illinois (that is what my dad wants anyways). </p>
<p>@sybbie719 my mom hasn’t started the proceedings yet but I won’t turn eighteen till the summer after I graduate, almost a year from now. Would that change anything?</p>
<p>It seems like it would be a long and tedious process to get college money out of my dad, but I really don’t want to have all the stress of paying for college on my mom. Like I said, I will defiantly be applying to some in-state schools/FAFSA only schools just in case, but I do feel like my dad should have to help out at least a little bit will college expenses.</p>
<p>@whydoicare congratulations for your son. I personally have nothing against the military or anyone that decides to take that path out of high school; I have friends myself who plan to do that. However, my dad did not join the military to serve his country or have an option to pay for college later, he said he just wanted to travel and though that it would be easy/fun. He hated his time in the military and only stated because my mom at the time made him (so that he would be the retirement benefits). </p>
<p>As for my use of strong language, that is because of strong feelings. He had my siblings and I for Christmas break this year, and I ended up having to call 911 on Christmas day because he was hitting me and my brother eventually causing me to break my arm.
I use the term ‘stupid’ because that is what I truly believe of the decisions that he has made. My father was not always like this, but after getting involved with her he has changed for the worse.
I use the term ‘con-artist of a wife’ because that is what she is. My mom had been receiving random calls from people claiming to know her warning us to be careful. After looking into these claims, we found an abundance of evidence showing that she came to the country illegally from Australia of all places, and has been in and out of federal prisons for numerous charges, namely identity theft.</p>
<p>I am sorry if this post (or this tread) sound hostile, I am just trying to explain where I am coming from.</p>
<p>There is a difference between child support - paid pursuant to state law and enforceable by the state - and payments pursuant to a divorce agreement. I don’t know of any state that compels the payment of child support beyond the age of majority, unless the child has not yet graduated from high school. Payments for college, in contrast, can be ordered (in some states) as one of the terms of a divorce decree. I find it hard to imagine that there would be any way to get payments for college where, as here, it was not provided for in the divorce decree. An Illinois court can enforce an existing decree - but it can’t add something that wasn’t there to start with.</p>
<p>I’m clearly not familiar with the laws in all 50 states, so perhaps there’s something I’m missing . . .</p>
<p>Your father broke your arm?
Was CPS called? Why not?</p>
<p>“And, for those schools that require information from a noncustodial parent (NCP), your father’s refusal to submit data will prevent you from getting financial aid at that school. And his refusal to pay what the school decides he can afford will prevent you from attending that school.”</p>
<p>This is how I understand it. Unless he had some prior written agreement with you and/or your mom to pay for your college, he doesn’t legally owe you anything. </p>
<p>Parents are not legally obligated to pay for their childeren’s college tuition/board/expenses. I have a hard time you’ll get anything from him in the courts, but as the above poster stated, his unwillingness to sign FAFSA info over will prevent you from getting financial aid/grants/loans. </p>
<p>I’d really try to explain to him that you cant get any gov loans without filling out his information in a as non-confrontational way as possible. That’s the first goal, don’t even bring up that you’re hoping he’ll help out (tuition wise) until you get the fafsa filled out and make sure he knows that filling out the fafsa does not equate to him agreeing to help you financially (it doesn’t!) - its just a necessary procedure for you to qualify for loans and scholarships. </p>
<p>You need to talk to him & not your mom (especially if his relationship with your mom is poor), and you need to really try to do it multiple times before you try to take any legal action against him. As that will just sour him further against you. </p>
<p>Also considering that you stated that your parents don’t necesarily make a lot of money anyways —it’s probably a wiser decision to go to CC for 2 years until you get it all worked out and then transfer (its the financially smart option anyways - even if your dad signed the FAFSA).</p>
<p>The father, as non-custodial parent, does not need to “sign” the FAFSA and in fact does not have anything to do with filling out the FAFSA form.</p>
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<p>In NYS, support orders are in place until the child turns 21 with stipulations for college until 22 or child graduates.</p>
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<p>Op’s ability to get federal loans will have nothing to do with his father, since dad is not custodial parent.</p>
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<p>By the time your mom gets the case into the Il. court, you may no longer be eligible for future child support. However, your mom may be able to get child support for you retroactively from the filing date.</p>
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<p>As already noted, this is flat out wrong - only custodial parent info is required for FAFSA!</p>
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<p>Thanks, sybbie, I stand corrected!</p>
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<p>They can be so obligated, at least in Illinois.</p>
<p><a href=“750%20ILCS%205/513”>quote</a> (from Ch. 40, par. 513)
Sec. 513. Support for Non‑minor Children and Educational Expenses. … (2) The court may also make provision for the<br>
educational expenses of the child or children of the parties, whether of minor or majority age, and an application for educational expenses may be made before or after the child has attained majority … The educational expenses may include, but shall not be limited to, room, board, dues, tuition, transportation, books, fees, registration and application costs, medical expenses including medical insurance, dental expenses, and living expenses during the school year and periods of recess, which sums may be ordered payable to the child, to either parent, or to the educational institution, directly or through a special account or trust created for that purpose, as the court sees fit. … (b) In making awards under paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (a), or pursuant to a petition or motion to decrease, modify, or terminate any such award, the court shall consider all relevant factors that appear reasonable and necessary, including:
(1) The financial resources of both parents.
(2) The standard of living the child would have enjoyed had the marriage not been dissolved.
(3) The financial resources of the child.
(4) The child’s academic performance. <a href=“emphasis%20added”>/quote</a></p>
<p>And, according to the same statute, jurisdiction for child support follows the parent, not the child. So mother’s Florida lawyer has it right - mother can file an application for the OP’s educational expenses in Illinois (1) even if mother and kids don’t live there and (2) even if the OP has already turned 18 and graduated from high school. That’s pretty impressive!</p>
<p>As suggested above, OP should probably focus on schools that won’t cost more than an Illinois state school.</p>