<p>So… that book that supposedly all freshman are supposed to read… who’s reading it? Any feedback? I don’t feel like reading it but I might if I’ll be totally left in the dust in the discussions without it.</p>
<p>I am skimming it, but I think I can summarize the book in its entirety. </p>
<p>Plagiarisim is bad. America has laws against plagiarism. These laws have loopholes that work in favour of rich people. American laws do not apply to Americans who plagiarize from foreigners because no one really gives a **** about foreigners. The internet has contributed more to this situation. American society is stupid.</p>
<p>Suggestions for discussion:
- Are you trying to imply that it's okay if we plagiarize things as long as we become rich?
- Why don't we just go back to the elementary school system of putting up folders so no one can see your stuff? Then no one would plagiarize.
- We should refrain from reading other people's work (this includes textbooks and various literature) so that way we can't possibly be accused of plagiarizing ideas.
- DOWN WITH THE INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- For American students: I am glad we read this book. Now I know it's okay to plagiarize, as long as I steal ideas from the international students.
- For international students: I am an international student, and I am very upset with the attitude that it is okay to steal my ideas. DISCLAIMER: No one will care about your problems, according to the book.</p>
<p>i hate reading, yet i read the book and its actually quite interesting, it talks about a lot of copyright law and how it related/ needs to change on account of the internet and p2p sharing(most music downloading). The author brings up some interesting and unsettleing facts about how the major music labels, radio and tv stations and movie studios are being massive and preventing competition and therefore creativity. but thats just my two cents</p>
<p>I think my version is much more entertaining.</p>
<p>I'm reading it, but I'm not really enjoying it all so much....</p>
<p>last year's book was b franklin's autobiography... just to give people perspective. I ended up enjoying the autobio and re-reading it, but i think this year's book would be a lot easier to get through</p>
<p>"I am skimming it, but I think I can summarize the book in its entirety.</p>
<p>Plagiarisim is bad. America has laws against plagiarism. These laws have loopholes that work in favour of rich people. American laws do not apply to Americans who plagiarize from foreigners because no one really gives a **** about foreigners. The internet has contributed more to this situation. American society is stupid.</p>
<p>Suggestions for discussion:
- Are you trying to imply that it's okay if we plagiarize things as long as we become rich?
- Why don't we just go back to the elementary school system of putting up folders so no one can see your stuff? Then no one would plagiarize.
- We should refrain from reading other people's work (this includes textbooks and various literature) so that way we can't possibly be accused of plagiarizing ideas.
- DOWN WITH THE INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- For American students: I am glad we read this book. Now I know it's okay to plagiarize, as long as I steal ideas from the international students.
- For international students: I am an international student, and I am very upset with the attitude that it is okay to steal my ideas. DISCLAIMER: No one will care about your problems, according to the book."</p>
<p>This is a terrible summary, what are you talking about?</p>
<p>I'm about 20 pages from the end, and I thought it was an excellent book. I did find the first 60 or so pages pretty boring, but the book picks up a lot after that. I will also say that I started out extremely skeptical of Lessig's message, but ended up convinced.</p>
<p>The focus of this book is NOT really about P2P music sharing. It is about the flaws of our copyright system and how the lack of a strong public domain hurts our society. The consolidation of media ownership and the way legal fees can cripple anyone but the wealthiest groups are also important points. I think it was an excellent selection and I'm happy I read it. If you think the first part of the book is boring, I don't blame you, but it turns around and I definitely think it is worth finishing.</p>
<p>so what types of questions do they ask on the book during NSO, and how long do we spend going over the book?</p>
<p>no, sweetnsarah's summary makes sense</p>
<p>The author praises Walt Disney for "taking" other people's ideas, adding sound and making the modern day cartoon. hence, plagarisim is fine if you get rich.</p>
<p>And why are you retards discussing this book now? This should wait</p>
<p>Don't read the book at all if you don't feel like it. There will always be two or three people at the discussion who will monopolize the discussion with obvious BS, and all YOU have to do is sit, nod, and murmur in agreement.</p>
<p>...but, uh, you should read it for your joy of literature... yeah.</p>
<p>"The author praises Walt Disney for "taking" other people's ideas, adding sound and making the modern day cartoon. hence, plagarisim is fine if you get rich."</p>
<p>He didn't really bring it up to "praise" Disney and is saying nothing close to "plagiarism is fine if you get rich." He brought it up to show the history of building off of other people's work that existed in the US which has been prevented by modern copyright law. It is more about giving the context to the changes that have recently been made to our copyright system than saying that stealing from other people's work is ok.</p>
<p>Why would the Penn faculty in charge of this project want students to wait until they get on campus to discuss the book? I am pretty sure they would be very excited by students talking about it on their own time. I think that is like, the goal of it...</p>
<p>yup, the goal of the book is to discuss it on a forum and once we get there, we just stare at each other...</p>
<p>... lol do you know who these people are in real life? Geez, if you're so worried about having points to bring up, whip out your notepad and write down all the ideas</p>
<p>if you guys plan on going (not required) you could get an interesting perspective on things by perusing boingboing.net It's a blog that has a lot of copyright issues on it, and a lot of fun posts besides</p>
<p>sweetnsarah, i think you read the wrong book...</p>
<p>I actually just finished the book, and pleasantly found that the majority of the book did not focus on the points that I mentioned earlier. I never knew that politics were so motivated by money and that half the laws that don't make sense are only like that because people tend to donate money to politicians who do as they say. </p>
<p>I cannot believe the politicians which uphold our great nation could be so eager to stay in office that they would stoop to such lows as accepting money for campaigns that enable them to stay in office. </p>
<p>(by the way, that summary explains everything after page 50 or so)</p>
<p>After reading 300 pages, I still think it wasn't worth my while. I think the author is very narrow-minded and slightly naive.</p>
<p>no, our government really does run on lobbyist money</p>
<p>the author isn't narrow minded at all and his solution is quite balanced but would never pass because no matter what the author says about this being a bipartisan issue, property is property and that's what this nation is founded on</p>
<p>edit: that was a little cynical, let me rephrase: conscience does play a part in congress when money is not involved or can be found through other avenues</p>
<p>the most interesting part of the book was when he presented his case to the Supreme Court. Otherwise, I think he got his point accross by sheer repetition</p>