<p>So, I decided it would be a fun to get drunk all of freshman year and not study, which seemed like great idea at the time, but wasn't so intelligent in retrospect. I'm a junior now and I just got a 4.0 this semester, making my cumulative GPA a 3.6, and my degree GPA a 3.9. I haven't gotten anything less than an A- since freshman year. I figure if things go as they have been, academically, I should get roughly a 4.0 next semester, bringing my cumulative up to a 3.7 (maybe up to a 3.75 after 1st semester senior year, when I graduate, early). If I do well on my LSATs (I guess maybe someone could tell me what "well" is relative to my GPA), do I have a chance at a top 25 law school? I'm not looking for reassurance; I'm genuinely ignorant with regard to law school admissions. Also...does anyone have a website that lists the median GPAs for law schools? I think I found one a while ago, but I can't seem to relocate it. Any help/advice would be appreciated, thanks.</p>
<p>... US News has the 25th/75th percentiles.</p>
<p>I meant a website that doesn't cost $14.95..but that was really secondary to the rest of my post.</p>
<p>I don't know what the heck a "degree" gpa is--see previous threads. Of course, you do. Go to Law</a> School Admission Council :: LSAC.org. Look at the guide to ABA accredited law schools listed in the left hand column. You will see several alternatives, including one that lets you search by gpa and LSAT. Plug in your numbers and take a look.</p>
<p>I transferred from College of Agriculture and Life Sciences to Industrial and Labor relations, so my transcript says both my degree GPA, which is my GPA in ILR, and my cumulative GPA, which includes freshman year before I switched colleges. Thanks for the website.</p>
<p>So. obviously you attend Cornell. Go see the pre-law advsior, who can give you much better advice than anyone on this board.</p>
<p>Also based on anecdotal evidence, Cornell Law really loves the ILR kids. So, make sure you apply to Cornell Law. It's top 14, after all, and you have great odds of being admitted, as long as your LSAT is "respectable."</p>
<p>yes, I'll break into the office, get his/her home address and show up at his/her house over Winter break. </p>
<p>I'm pretty sure Cornell is my first choice, but I'm concerned that my GPA is too low (thanks to freshman year's decisions), which is why I'm posting here in the first place, since I figured people on the law board might know more about law school than I do.</p>
<p>Are you always this rude? You are a junior..or so your post said. You aren't going to apply to law school for at least another 8 months. I think you can wait until after winter break to get some advice about your odds.</p>
<p>Yep, I think it is highly probable that I know more about law school admissions than you do. I also think it is highly probable that the Cornell law advisor knows more than anyone on this board(including yours truly) about how hard it is for Cornell ILR students to get into Cornell Law.</p>
<p>I'll be sure not to answer any of your questions in the future.</p>
<p>A 3.7 is an excellent GPA for most top law schools, other than maybe HYS and Boalt (which weighs GPA more than equivalent schools like UVa.) With that GPA, a 169 would be good enough for even UVa. A mid-170s would put you in serious contention for HLS. </p>
<p>A 3.7 AND an upward trend is really not a problem. Considering you get straight As at Cornell, I doubt you'll have too much of a problem with the LSAT. You're in very admirable shape.</p>
<p>Great, thanks, bartleby. I just have my freshman year hanging over my head...bad life decisions.</p>
<p>bartleby seems to be pretty much on target IMO. 3.7 from Cornell and a 165 should get you into a top 25. 168 should get an admittance for Cornell. And anything above that will give you a better chance for schools up the food chain- UVA, Mich
of course one needs good recommendations, Personal statement etc. etc. too. </p>
<p>check out Law</a> School Live - The Free Law School Information Site</p>
<p>look at "Law School Rankings" on that site. It gives pretty concise info that you may find helpful. Also check out law school discussion ( LSD.org )and Law school numbers to get the info you seek!
You are really not going to get any accurate picture of law school admission until you have your LSAT score.</p>
<p>My kid is in ILR too-</p>
<p>With all due respect, isn't ILR one of the easier majors at Cornell? Not having a 3.8+ in ILR is almost suprising to me. I know plenty of very average students that have above a 4.0+ (Cornell gives A+s) in ILR at Cornell (a bunch of them transfer students from the local suny campuses).</p>
<p>collegebound- you seem to "know" alot about Cornell- much of it incorrect. </p>
<p>By chance- you related to bball???</p>
<p>i was a bio major for a year, and hated it thoroughly (hence freshman mishap), my degree gpa is a 3.9 (in ILR)...and I'm taking all graduate level classes because I have so many AP credits..yes, it's so easy.</p>
<p>thanks for the website marny, that's exactly what I was looking for. I feel much better about my GPA now, lol.</p>
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With all due respect, isn't ILR one of the easier majors at Cornell? Not having a 3.8+ in ILR is almost suprising to me. I know plenty of very average students that have above a 4.0+ (Cornell gives A+s) in ILR at Cornell (a bunch of them transfer students from the local suny campuses)
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<p>I made it pretty clear that I switched into ILR from CALS (College of Agriculture and Life Sciences) in my previous posts, and that the only thing bringing down my GPA is freshman year ("freshman year mishap"). As I stated before, I haven't gotten a grade under an A- since I switched from biology (which I hated) to ILR. He is suggesting that I'm doing poorly relative to ILR students, when, in reality, I have 3.9 "degree GPA". "Degree GPA" is on my transcript and refers to the grades after I switched from CALS to ILR. The entire point of my post was to find out of a 3.7 cumulative GPA will be adequate to get me into a top 25 law school, assuming I get a respectable LSAT score. I didn't ask for collegebound's critique on ILR (which must be highly valid, since I'm sure he's taken lots of classes there).</p>
<p>And with regard to ILR's "easiness": Yes, intro courses are easy, but many of the upper level classes have an obscene amount of reading/papers, and are by no means "easy" to people who are not genuninely interested in the major. I've been taking graduate classes, which are not "easy".</p>
<p>All he said was "ILR is easy." He didn't say, "How did you get a 3.4 in ILR?"</p>
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Not having a 3.8+ in ILR is almost suprising (sic) to me. I know plenty of very average students that have above a 4.0+ (Cornell gives A+s) in ILR at Cornell (a bunch of them transfer students from the local suny campuses).
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<p>Oh, really? I'm pretty sure that's an implication that a 3.7 in inadequate, though I've clearly explained my situation more than once (I have a 3.9 in ILR, which is stated as "degree" GPA on my transcript, along side my "cumulative GPA", which will be approximately a 3.7, or slightly higher). Anyways, this isn't the point of the thread, which is where I stand with a ~3.7 GPA and a (hopefully) good LSAT score.</p>
<p>He was giving a general commentary on your major.</p>
<p>Thank you, coopertemplegirl. I was a bio major freshman year, which is limiting my cumulative GPA to a 3.7 or so (possibly closer to a 3.8 if I have two amazing semesters). I've never gotten under an A- in ILR. All I want to know is where I stand with a ~3.7 and a decent LSAT score with regard to top 25 law schools (I imagine my LSAT score will be respectable if I study from now until July).</p>