<p>University of Alabama provides housing (not food) for NMF. </p>
<p>My son has accepted their NMF offer for the fall - he was also accepted into their Computer Based Honors Program (the one that is very hard to get into - they only accept 40 students). </p>
<p>The scholarship does cover the cost of the honors suite (the suites with 4 private rooms) even though those rooms are about $2,000 more each year than traditional dorms. BTW - the honors dorms are awesome - brand new - each student has a private room - unbelievable!</p>
<p>It's too bad that food isn't included too. However, since my son was still eligible to receive a NMF scholarship from my hubby's employer, $2500 per year, that will cover his food - he's chosen the "unlimited food" option since he's still a growing boy - girls probably don't need that much. The reason my son can get both scholarships is because the Alabama one of tuition, board, laptop and study abroad, isn't an official NMF scholarship -- only the part of an additional 1K is - which my son declined so he could get the 2500 per year from h's employer.</p>
<p>We have been very impressed with UA during our visits there. Everyone loves it there and the deans at the three honors colleges are very devoted. </p>
<p>My son got to sit in on a few honors courses -- fine art, calculus, physics, and computer science -- and he thought that the teachers were outstanding. The best profs teach the honors courses. My son LOVED the fine arts course even tho that is not usually "his bag". The students sat around a conference table while learning and discussing. all the honors classes are kept small.</p>
<p>I just wanted to add to the above... U of AL has been trying very hard to improve itself and their efforts are coming to fruition. In previous decades, the state has been frustrated by having its top students go elsewhere. To prevent that from happening, for the last several years, UA has been offering full rides and full tuition scholarships to high achieving students (also generous to high achieving out of staters). That, along with all the new buildings, new honors dorms with private rooms, refurbishment of oldr dorms/classrooms, new student center, new rec center, new eating venues, etc has really paid off. </p>
<p>The school's new tram system will begin this summer. It will provide free transportation throughout the campus and the nearby town -- so having a car is not necessary.</p>
<p>Most semifinalists become finalists ( I think the number is more that 80%). You need to fill out a short application, send them your SAT scores and I think your school sends in your transcript. Basically, I think think that they want to make sure that you have kept up with your academics and that the PSAT scores were not just some kind of "fluke".</p>
<p>Most SF's become finalists -- something like 90%. If a SF has good grades, does well on a SAT test (over 2000, I think), gets a letter of rec from principal, and fills out the NM paperwork on time (including the short essay) then the student is pretty much a "shoe in" to become a finalist. </p>
<p>The only times I have EVER heard of a SF not becoming a finalist have been when the kids have bad grades, didn't take the SAT or did badly on it, didn't do the paperwork, and/or was a discipline problem at school and couldn't get the rec from principal. Some kids "don't care" about the process since they don't plan on attending a school that may give $$$, so they don't do the paperwork.</p>
<p>( The reason that the kids have to take the SAT by a certain date is so the NM corp will know that the high PSAT wasn't some kind of fluke - or that the high school hasn't engaged in some kind of PSAT "hanky panky" since the PSAT tests are given at a kid's school.) The kid has several chances to take the SAT -- but he has to have it taken by Nov (or Dec - don't remember which) in his senior year. But NM will take the highest sitting score of any SAT taken by that date.</p>
<p>YOU also have to have collegeboard send SAT score(s) to NM corporation. It doesn't "just happen" - so either pay for it, or choose NM corp as one of the "free picks" to have scores sent.</p>
<p>sweet that process between semi and finalist doesnt seem too bad. im am interested in usc does anyone know hom much scholarship they offer for finalists?</p>
<p>USC generally gives 50% scholarships to finalists. A few who also have phenomenal test scores, etc, will get full scholarships. </p>
<p>My nephew was a finalist, with an A+ GPA, difficult curriculum, tons of AP classes, Val at his high-achieving school, but even he only got a 50% offer from USC (where he is today). His SAT was high, but not a perfect or near perfect one - around 2280. His ACT was 33.</p>
<p>jlauer im have about the same resume as your nephew-- 4.0 unweighted gpa, tough courses with lots of AP, number 1 in class of 525 or so, and i just took sat in may (hoping for bout 2200-2300 or so), and hopefully a NMS finalist. i dont really want to pay money to go out of state, so did your nephew get other scholarships to help cover the cost of usc or did he end up paying about 50%?</p>
<p>He only got the 50% and that was for TUITION ONLY - so his parents are paying for the other 50% (17,600K for tuition) PLUS his room and board (another 12k), plus books, fees, etc. So, his parents are paying about $30+K per year (they're kind of affluent - dad is a partner at a Newport Bch law firm). </p>
<p>What was your PSAT score??? Are you a CA student??? If so, I think their cutoff was 219 last year (up 3 points from previous year). </p>
<p>BTW... there are OOS universities that waive Out Of State (OOS) fees for NMF and/or high SAT/ACT. Also, private universities don't charge OOS students more (since they aren't getting any funding from their own state)</p>
<p>(after I posted this, I noticed that you are from AZ - what is the NMSF cut off for AZ)??</p>
<p>I got a 217 on the psat and im a junior, so i wont find out until september if im a semi-finalist. ive heard from a lot of people that 217 will make the semi-finalist standing in arizona, esp since AZ isnt that strong in academics and the psat was supposedly harder this year. </p>
<p>Wow so your nephew still has to shell out a lot of money to attend USC even with the NMS scholarship. While my parents probably could afford paying that much a year for college, if I had the choice between paying $30K a year for a USC education as compared to absolutely nothing for the U of A, I would most likely go with the U of A. Do you know of other reputable schools that offer good NMS scholarships? From this thread I've seen schools like Texas and Florida that interest me.</p>
<p>U of FL no longer gives full scholarships to NM finalists - the website just says that it will give a scholarship with no mention of a specific amount. I believe this change was in response to residents complaining that out of state students were taking too many spots.</p>
<p>U of TX (Austin) and TX A&M give some NMF $$$, but they are also no longer full scholarships. </p>
<p>If I were you, I would email their scholarship offices and ask for specific amounts given to NMF and whether OOS fees are waived.</p>
<p>U of OK, U of AZ, AZ ST, U of AL, and the others that have been mentioned give full rides (or very close to it - such U of AL which provides, tuition, room, laptop, and study abroad $$, plus a 1K per year but doesn't pay for food.<br>
I know that U of OK gives almost a full ride for OOS, but you still have to pay a small amount each year, etc.) </p>
<p>I would suggest that you ask your parents specifically how much they can afford each year -- you may or may not be surprised by their answer. I know that my own son overstated (in his mind) how much we could afford (he conveniently "forgot" that we'd have two in college at the same time and our EFC is high.)</p>
<p>Ok thanks a lot for the info jlauer I really appreciate it! one more question--if i do get to be a national merit finalist will prospective schools send me information about scholarship money or is it mostly up to me to research which schools offer good scholarship packages for NMS finalists?</p>
<p>U of Texas Austin seems to offer in-state tuition to NMS finalists. Penn State has a well-regarded honors program, and I hear they have good NMS benefits. ASU and U of A are both among the best schools with the best merit aid for National Merit thought. Have you looked at ASU's Barrett Honors College? It's nearly free, and seems like an excellent program if you are willing to go to a huge state university.</p>
<p>I don't know if they will come find you, so I would definitely do some looking. Somewhere on this forum there is a link to a list of good NMS schools.</p>
<p>bball, I think all these schools only give you the money if you select them as your top choice college through the National Merit Corporation so you'd probably need to research to find which one you'd like to pick.</p>
<p>My son was offered full scholarships and full rides by colleges that he had not even applied to. Usually the offers came with application forms that waived the application fee. (My son applied to 8 colleges and only had to pay for one app fee - and that one was reduced to $25) Many colleges begin making offers as soon as the kid makes NM Semi Finalist (in Sept). Of course, you don't "get" the $$$, unless you select the school in the end.</p>
<p>Colleges are notified as to who makes NMSF and they begin sending out info around the time that the student is notified that he has made the cut-off. Since colleges know this info before the students, sometimes colleges "jump the gun" and send the offers BEFORE student is notified of making NMSF. My son received a letter from a college congratulating him and with a scholarship offer two days before my son was told by his school that he made it. </p>
<p>Bball
There are some colleges that do not seek out NMF even tho they give $$$, so you have to do some exploring yourself. AND, since colleges are always changing their scholarship policies, you can't depend on past to determine the future. Colleges are more generous when they are trying to boost their "stats". They get less generous when they've achieved their goals.</p>
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<p>NO THEY DON'T!!!! And, Penn State charges $25K to OOS students. See below from their website about NMF $$$ (or lack there of....)</p>
<pre><code>* Penn State offers five school-sponsored National Merit Scholarships, ranging in value from $1,000 to $2,000, each year to National Merit finalists naming Penn State as their first choice school. Recipients are selected in February from the first notification of finalists.
Penn State offers one-time $1,000 recognition awards to all National Merit Finalists who have selected Penn State as their first choice school by May 1, and are not receiving a school-sponsored, corporate-sponsored or National Merit-sponsored award.
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<p>For an OOS student, getting such a pittance of a scholarship is hardly worth it.</p>
<p>Others have mentioned this... BUT remember some scholarships hinge on your listing that school as your first choice, so if you are not sure, I think you can leave your first choice undeclared until a little later on, after you have looked at some schools and done some research.</p>
<p>The whole "first choice" thing is a formality that must be finalized in spring of senior year - any earlier "choices" are "temporary" and can be changed. Also, your earlier choices do NOT prevent other colleges from tempting you to change your "first choice" to their school.</p>
<p>Scholarship offers will come in regardless of who you list as "first choice" - but many will say that to actually "receive" the offer, you must choose as first choice - duh - why else would you actually receive it??? However, again, the choice can be delayed until spring of senior year.. THAT is why college NM scholarships are not formally announced to the media until early summer (around graduation). </p>
<p>Again, you can change your college "first choice" until spring of your senior year. My son just did that. He faxed his school choice change to NM corp. He had several offers in hand, most required that he choose their school as "first choice" in order to actually receive it. </p>
<p>As a matter of fact, NM corp called our home in Feb asking for a first choice, which my son gave, and then he changed his first choice the following month - no big deal. </p>
<p>BTW, the people at NM Corp take phone calls and they are always nice and helpful... Don't hesitate to call with questions.</p>
<p>Also, you will get offers just on the basis of reaching NMSF - these are scholarships that you can accept even if you never reach finalist status.</p>
<p>My son's full-ride scholarship is called a NMF scholarship, but in reality, only $1K per year is coordinated thru NM corp. My son declined that $1K per year, so that he could accept $2500 per year NM scholarship from my H's corporation. </p>
<p>My son had to do this because NM Corp only lets you accept ONE NM Corp administered scholarship. Colleges "get around" that rule by isolating a small part of their big offers as being the "NM Corp administered part" so that a student can decline that tiny portion, and still accept their larger portion AND accept a corporate NM scholarship. It's a win/win for the student. (In the case I described, the college administers the larger "extra" scholarship portion because that part has nothing to do with NM corp.)</p>