<p>IS it worth going to GSP if you get deffered from CAS?</p>
<p>that depends a whole lot on who you are, what you want out of life, your finances, what other schools you've been accepted to, etc. </p>
<p>i'd go.</p>
<p>bit harsh there, eh?</p>
<p>My older sister graduated from NYU about two years ago (CAS). According to her, the only people she knew who really looked down on GSP/LSP were people who got rejected from Tufts, Georgetown, Brown, etc and went to NYU as a back-up.</p>
<p>Honestly, it's a perfectly legitimate program. If you feel like a "second-class citizen," I don't blame you - there's a lot of stigma behind the name. Only do it if you WANT to do it. Don't do it only if you DON'T WANT to do it. The choice is completely yours and shouldn't be based on the potential judgments of others.</p>
<p>Those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter :)</p>
<p>First of all, it's LSP, and second, it's deferred not deffered...sorry spelling nazi :)
I'm in LSP currently and I don't think it's worth it. I'm applying for transfer right now. However, there are tons of people in LSP who love it. I'm personally frustrated by all the requirements and want to take more classes in my major (econ policy) that I can't currently. However, I did take 8 AP's and have all those credits, so I'll only be in LSP for 3 semesters instead of 4. If you have any questions about lsp, you can pm me if you like</p>
<p>oh and no one looks down on lsp...it's arguably harder to get into than scps...no one really cares about what school you're in...i've met stupid people in cas and brilliant people from lsp. the program is certainly not for everyone, I can say that.</p>
<p>Only you and your family can make that decision. There is no typical LSP student, just like there is no CAS student. </p>
<p>I've heard the thread title mentioned on the NYU review on Yelp.</p>
<p>Stolen from "Overheard at NYU" facebook group:</p>
<p>two sternies walking behind me:
stern kid #1: why do they call it GSP?
stern kid #2: i don't know...
stern kid #1: i mean, shouldn't they just call it 13th grade? </p>
<p>but you know what, it's up to you. getting into LSP is not as easy as it sounds although personally if I did get LSP'd I would not choose it. If I really wanted to go to NYU I'd take classes at another uni and then transfer to NYU. If I'm paying ~$50,000 I want to take challenging classes - even writing the essay which is a pain was worth the money. But that is just me... I don't come from a family that's completely comfortable with money. Try to do research on what courses can carry over from other universities that can satisfy liberal arts requirements, if you decide to go that route.</p>
<p>^ I don't get it...you wouldn't pay $50K to take Writing I in LSP where you'd be in small class and get one-on-one time with a prof, but you'd pay the same money to take WTE and other MAP classes in massive lecture halls with the same profs LSP students get? I mean there are a lot of reasons I HATE HATE HATE lsp but money isn't one of them...you're paying the same as everyone else to take similar classes, you get the same profs who teach CAS. You never have to deal with TA's or any of that. My CAS friends don't know any of their profs, and I'm glad I got to know my profs so well cause I'll get a sweet recc for when I transfer out of here lol. LSP is not for me!
I think the humanities classes are pretty easy, but I'm struggling in Bio...so some can be challenging I guess.</p>
<p>writing the essay is a small seminar-style class. it's the hardest writing class i've ever taken and even though I'm probably not going to get an A in it, I've gotten to know a really brilliant professor personally and academically (she's hooked me up with year-long community service opportunities outside of class). I'm sure there are brilliant professors in LSP too.</p>
<p>and it's not a concrete opinion, it varies. some of my lsp friends don't feel challenged by their classes while others enjoy them, because it follows their comfort level with work load. but uhm, when I tell my parents that they are paying ~50,000 for an associate's degree and a guaranteed transfer after 2 or so years of some program, they aren't exactly thrilled to see that happen. If I were LSP'd I'd much rather take the full ride at Rutgers and take courses that NYU will accept (again, do research on courses that NYU will accept, I think it's on an individual course basis), do well and try to transfer in. ~100,000 just isn't worth it when there are other perfectly fine alternatives that don't require a helluvalot of loans. BUT THAT'S JUST ME, I couldn't care less what other people do with their money or time - my parents simply would not let me go to NYU if I were LSP'd. To them, an associate's degree is not worth the pricetag of CAS - even if it does mean living in the Village and a guaranteed transfer. They would know, my mom only went to community college.</p>
<p>I won't look down on people because of their school. But that doesn't mean that I would follow their decisions and choices if I were them. That's all. College in general is what you make of it, there is a slight stigma against LSP but then again most schools have stereotypes that don't even make it into everyday conversation.</p>
<p>thumbs down to SoCcErPlAyEr</p>
<p>The profs who teach LSP are the same as CAS profs - both schools are under the aegis of the CAS faculty. It's not the quality of teaching that varies, it's the level of difficulty. Also, you don't have to get an AA degree, which I personally think is BS - I'm getting out of here after 3 semesters w/out an AA, unless I transfer first lol.
I personally don't feel challenged by my LSP coursework, that's why I want to transfer. Also, because it's really hard to get the classes you want. There are so many classes that are required. It gets really frustrating after a while. Like 6/8 classes my freshman yr are assigned! It's ridiculous. No offense to anyone who is in love with the LSP curriculum. </p>
<p>I personally don't think it's worth the money either.
my parents are the opposite of yours - they refused to send me anywhere but NYU, whereas I would've rather gone to the 7 other colleges which accepted me into there honor's programs...oh well. Now I'm trying to transfer to Cornell, very different environment than NYU.</p>
<p>Wait. Your parents actually want you to go to NYU?!?! My parents totally don't want me going there. But I applied ED anyway :P </p>
<p>Oh, and soccer player... Because of the title of this thread, you will be forever cursed to be a student in LSP!</p>
<p>I'm a CAS student, and I can say that no one seriously looks down upon LSP kids. I have plenty of friends that are in LSP, and I don't find them to be generally stupid at all. That being said, LSP kids are the butt of the joke sometimes. Case in point: in the latest issue of The Plague (NYU's funny magazine), there was this box in the corner of the page which said something like: "If you can read this, we have a place for you! --NYU LSP." I have nothing against LSP people, but that was pretty funny to be honest. Anyways, my point is, nobody takes the LSP stigma seriously. But if these jokes are going to destroy your self esteem, go somewhere else.</p>
<p>^ LOL I saw that too and I thought it was really funny - often the ones making the LSP jokes are LSP students themselves! Btw The Plague tries so hard to be funny and fails miserably everytime...but the LSP joke got an actual giggle out of me. </p>
<p>Honestly, there's stigma's about every school at NYU, so if you're oversensitive, don't come here! I've heard people joke SCPS are dumb and it's easier to get into than LSP, that Tisch students are all a bunch of artsy hipsters who try so hard to be "different" and all look exactly the same, Gallatin is for retards too dumb to do "real majors" so they make up their own thing to be special, Sternies walk around in suits 24/7 and only care about money, CAS is filled with artsy humanities people who spend a fortune to get a B.A in stuff like east asian cultural studies and then spend the rest of their lives paying off debt for their useless degrees, Steinhardt students have the easiest majors like Communications and Elementary education....if you take offense to any of those, then please don't come here. No one at NYU will seriously judge you for what you major in and what school you attend. Learn to laugh a little at yourself :)</p>
<p>I just got into LSP for fall 09 and I'm happier than ever. At first I hesitated thinking what many of you are saying, that it's looked down upon, not worth the money blah blah. but honestly, going to NYU has been my dream and I rather go there, regardless of what school or program. Yeah the money is a huge issue for me, but I would regret going somewhere else knowing I could've been at NYU. I wish i got into CAS of course, but oh well, I still got in and thats all that matters. And I'm excited!! :]</p>
<p>Do any of you guys know much about the LSP oversee programs? I'm considering going to the Paris or London campus maybe my soph. year. Is that a good idea or can you give me any feedback on that? Also, can LSP kids still be involved in the same clubs and programs as the rest of the students? Such as theatre, school magazines and papers, etc.. ?</p>
<p>Yes of course you can be involved in most clubs...although there are some clubs that are restricted to schools, like specific performing arts clubs for Tisch, or student governments restricted to each school. </p>
<p>If money is an issue, I suggest you seriously think before you go to LSP. Are you willing to fork over $50K a year and not get to pick a single class? Keep in mind, it is not the way they make it sound in info sessions. You really do have the academic freedom of a middle schooler. However, if you have no clue what you want to do in life, are Undeclared, and really enjoy taking humanities classes, LSP is for you!</p>