<p>"My thing is, I think the gay community is just as dismissive of religious people and their beliefs."</p>
<p>No, they're not. I know many gay couples who are religious including Jewish and Christian. </p>
<p>"They know marriage is innately religious. They know the Bible doesn't exactly condone their lifestyle. Yet they expect people who take the Bible and its teachings seriously to just arbitrarily look the other way so they can get their way."</p>
<p>Again America is NOT a theocracy. END OF STORY. The Bible does NOT run our lives nor should it since I am not Christian. If you'd like to move to a theocracy where the Bible rules, be my guest. Nobody is forcing you to stay in a free country where everybody should have rights.</p>
<p>Yes, when the government incorporated marriage into its laws it has gone past purely religious, because of the separation of church and state. You don't even have to get married in a church to qualify as married under the law - religions can still exercise THEIR judgment on THEIR matters. To say that they should decide state matters, also, is the DEFINITION of a theocracy.</p>
My thing is, I think the gay community is just as dismissive of religious people and their beliefs. Gays don't care about why people don't feel they should get married, they just care about having an issue to feel put upon about. They know marriage is innately religious. They know the Bible doesn't exactly condone their lifestyle. Yet they expect people who take the Bible and its teachings seriously to just arbitrarily look the other way so they can get their way.
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<p>Yeah... and? If I were a black person, I'd be dismissive of the KKK, for example. It's not exactly rocket science. When a group blanket condemns the group to which you belong, it's pretty easy to dismiss them.</p>
<p>As for expecting them to look the other way... uhh, no? Your implication that that is unacceptable would be like me saying that it's unacceptable that women should expect to be allowed out in public without head scarves, because there are Muslims who might be offended. The way these things work are, if you want to impose on someone else's right to do something, and they don't want that to happen, then if you cannot coexist you have the responsibility to make accommodations. Gay people getting married is not an imposition on religious people's rights, but to forbid them from getting married because it would offend religious people is. It doesn't matter why they want to get married, even if it is just to **** religious people off. They have that right.</p>
<p>Ugh, I am so SICK of religion! It can NOT be used as backup for political matters! It's so FRUSTRATING! (like my caps yet?)</p>
<p>Really, believe what you want, but do NOT force your beliefs upon others. This is so black and white to me. What is wrong with people? Marriage allows all the tax benefits, etc. AGH...And to think Missouri (my state) "overwhelmingly approved a state amendment to the constitution banning same-sex marriage." Individual religions can make their own rules, but marriage is a federal matter.</p>
<p>WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!*</p>
<p>*phrase not directed toward anyone in particular</p>
<p>p.s. Don't mean to revive an old topic (well, I did...) but it's better than posting a new forum on it, yes?</p>
<p>"My thing is, I think the gay community is just as dismissive of religious people and their beliefs. Gays don't care about why people don't feel they should get married, they just care about having an issue to feel put upon about. They know marriage is innately religious. They know the Bible doesn't exactly condone their lifestyle. Yet they expect people who take the Bible and its teachings seriously to just arbitrarily look the other way so they can get their way."</p>
<p>I'm not sure what offends me more: your attack on my sexuality or your attack on my spirituality.</p>
<p>So because I am a lesbian, you don't think it matters that I am a Roman Catholic, that I have attended church and participated in the choir and as an altar girl for more years than I can count, because I think I should be allowed to marry the woman I will someday love in a *legal<a href="not%20necessarily%20a%20religious">/i</a> ceremony? Do you really think that I dismiss everything my church has ever taught me because they don't want me to get married in one of their ceremonies? It deeply offends me, yes, but I will not let it stand in the way of my personal faith, and I am disturbed that you think I would.</p>
<p>I believe that God made me the way I am for a reason. He made my future wife the way she is for a reason, too, and He wants us to love each other the way we deserve. I cannot fathom any loving deity who would be opposed to the expression of love, and I am tired of people using religion as an excuse to trample my right to marry who I love.</p>
<p>"My thing is, I think the gay community is just as dismissive of religious people and their beliefs. Gays don't care about why people don't feel they should get married, they just care about having an issue to feel put upon about. They know marriage is innately religious. They know the Bible doesn't exactly condone their lifestyle. Yet they expect people who take the Bible and its teachings seriously to just arbitrarily look the other way so they can get their way."</p>
<p>What gives the Bible and/or Christianity precedence over the legal matters of the United States or other country, for that matter? The U.S. is a secular nation based on equal rights for all citizens. Marriage laws should be 100% consistent amongst all sexualities.</p>
<p>Good idea to revive this thread. Reeeeeeeeally.</p>
<p>Ehh, it's absolutely ridiculous that gay marriage is even a political issue. Well no it's not. People are sometimes messed up like that, like with genocide and stuff.</p>
<p>Idk. I read this thread and it entertained me in the same way that Ali G entertains me.</p>
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Ehh, it's absolutely ridiculous that gay marriage is even a political. Well no it's not. People are sometimes messed up, like with genocide and stuff.
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<p>Considering marriage has financial and legal implications which are relevant to the government, I don't see why it's ridiculous.</p>
<p>I meant to imply that it's ridiculous that people are arguing against gay marriage. But then i realized that people have innate (or environmentally induced or what have you) prejudices that make them weird o.0. So, they start genocides and spread irrational hate for certain demographics, like gays who wanna get married. C'est la vie.</p>
<p>Plus, people like people who are like them. Some people take that so far as saying that everyone must follow the same little rules of their religions/cults. Meh whatever i highly doubt this practice will ever disappear (before humanity disappears anyway).</p>
I'm not sure what offends me more: your attack on my sexuality or your attack on my spirituality.
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<p>I couldn't care less either way. Some people are curious as to why some people don't support gay marriage, and I gave you my reasons why.</p>
<p>I don't think gay people really consider people's religion as being important to them and being the reason they think the way they do. If they did, they wouldn't be so dismissive of it right off the bat. We live in a society conducive to people voting and lobbying for whatever they want, so it would be much easier to make your case, in part, on their terms than just continuously butt heads.</p>
<p>If you hear people out instead of just dismissing their views because they say the "R" word, you may see a way to make your case. It's not solely any one thing.</p>
<p>"They know the Bible doesn't exactly condone their lifestyle. Yet they expect people who take the Bible and its teachings seriously to just arbitrarily look the other way so they can get their way."</p>
<p>You might notice that the Bible also forbids the worship of other gods. Yet there's freedom of religion in this country. Whose idea was that?</p>
<p>Social mores on sexuality have evolved throughout time. If homosexuals can convince the American Public through legislative means that they have a right to marry, then so be it. But I don’t think the majority has any obligation to accommodate this particular behavior. The same way we don't tolerate polygamous or incestuous marriages.</p>
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boo i hate those people. they're infected with the devil instead them. whenever i see a gay guy walking, i just want to walk up and punch them in the face, they **** me off soo greatly, it's like ***, why cant you be normal?
<p>Some years will pass, people will begin to accept that some (for whatever reasons, it doesn't matter) are attracted to the same gender, it will become widely accepted, laws will change, and we can live in peace (at least over this issue).</p>
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boo i hate those people. they're infected with the devil instead them. whenever i see a gay guy walking, i just want to walk up and punch them in the face, they **** me off soo greatly, it's like ***, why cant you be normal?
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<p>hey somebody forward this post to the guy who made the thread about how atheists think all religious people are dumb/insane</p>
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Some years will pass, people will begin to accept that some (for whatever reasons, it doesn't matter) are attracted to the same gender, it will become widely accepted, laws will change, and we can live in peace (at least over this issue).
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<p>Great attitude to have, but you and I both know that'll never happen. homosexuality has been "around" and recognized for thousands upon thousands of years and they have been persecuted for many of those years...why would it only take "a few years" for it to become widely accepted</p>