<p>"Great attitude to have, but you and I both know that'll never happen."</p>
<p>It is happening, little by little, state by state, court by court. Give it time, perhaps a generation, for overall attitudes to change.</p>
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<p>Why is it such a big deal?</p>
<p>We just want to have fun!</p>
<p>lol....yea...eff that....</p>
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Jack why am I dumb? I guess the millions of other people that feel like me are dumb also. I haven't stated anything wrong. Gays are infected with the devil inside them. Atheists are usually troubled youths and I could care less about them, I guess we'll see who will be standing on judgment day. And yes I hope gay marriage ends, and they all should be terminated like ants.
Jack are you a gay yourself? Lol, I think I’ve offended your feminine feelings. I apologize
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<p>no it's that your fakepost isn't believable or funny</p>
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Sexxxxxxxxxx</p>
<p>Why is it such a big deal?</p>
<p>We just want to have fun!</p>
<p>lol....yea...eff that....
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<p>haha, your religion demands submission from non-believers and is completely incompatible with globalization in the post-enlightenment era, haha</p>
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hmm, jack. im done with this thread. you can keep supporting the homo-sexuals lololololol, have fun with that..</p>
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haha, your religion demands submission from non-believers and is completely incompatible with globalization in the post-enlightenment era, haha
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<p>That's what some think. I disagree.</p>
<p>i'm against it, from religious and economic standpoints... :/</p>
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im done with this thread. you can keep supporting the homo-sexuals lololololol, have fun with that..
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<p>Didn't you read the study I posted earlier? There's scientific evidence that your homophobia is actually the product of unconscious homosexual tendencies. You repress it - yes, you ignore those secret desires, those forbidden urges, those fantasies of taboo that creep into your mind during the long, wintery night - but at the end of the day you just want to be touched. To wrap yourself in the coarse, rugged beauty of the male form. </p>
<p>You been straight up punk'd by God, homeslice.</p>
<p>"There's scientific evidence that your homophobia is actually the product of unconscious homosexual tendencies."</p>
<p>I think it's a lose/lose situation. For religious people marriage has always been sacred and they find it offensive when two homosexuals are allowed the same matrimony given to them by God. Gays are offended because they feel unless they are allowed the privilege of being married they are not being treated as equals.</p>
<p>I also think that while many feel allowing gay marriage is very progressive, it will most certainly offend many across the globe who already dislike this country for whatever the reason may be while we may see those people as primitive, we are indeed sending out the message "we don't care about the rest of the world, we'll do whatever we want," which IMO is the wrong message to send out. </p>
<p>I don't think the world is ready for gay marriage at this point in time and I highly doubt that the federal government will rule on this during our lifetime, I believe the status quo will remain for quite some time.</p>
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haha, your religion demands submission from non-believers and is completely incompatible with globalization in the post-enlightenment era, haha
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That statement completely negates your credibility. The basis of any society in the world is strong ethical and family-values and religion re-establishes those values in the vast majority of the world. It's people like you who feel that the religious are wrong and everyone but yourself is right. I fail to understand your correlation between religion and recent foreign economic involvement which is referred to as globalization. You should grow up, you get offended when people insult homosexuals, yet you commit the very same sin you condemn others for?</p>
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it will most certainly offend many across the globe who already dislike this country...I don't think the world is ready for gay marriage at this point in time...I believe the status quo will remain for quite some time.
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The status quo in the United States is not the same as the status quo elsewhere. Quite a bit of Europe has legalized same-sex marriage or civil unions. And if we don't allow same-sex marriage because the terrorists might get angry, well... isn't that letting them win? They're getting one part of their goals fulfilled, preventing us from gaining/keeping our rights and liberties.</p>
<p>So all religious people are terrorists? Not every person who disagrees with our policies and lifestyles is a "terrorist," nor do they deserve to be labeled one.</p>
<p>Even if it were, no that would not be "letting them win." If we do believe in freedom of religion and freedom of expression it is a great compromise to deprive religious people (in the states or out of the states) the right to what they consider is a sacred bond between a man and a woman. Just as many believe not legalizing same-sex marriage would offend gays, legalizing it would offend others, like I said a lose-lose situation.</p>
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So all religious people are terrorists?
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Please tell me that you're either joking or weren't replying to me.</p>
<p>I merely said that this seems blasphemous in the eyes of the vast majority of the world. You decided to label them "terrorists." Marriage is a divine institution for many, this would be the equivalent of the government allowing anyone convert to Judaism without following proper procedure and rabbinical recognition.</p>
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I merely said that this seems blasphemous in the eyes of the vast majority of the world.
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Not everyone takes as fundamental a view of the bible as that.</p>
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I merely said that this seems blasphemous in the eyes of the vast majority of the world. You decided to label them "terrorists."
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Please read what I said.</p>
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Even if it were, no that would not be "letting them win." If we do believe in freedom of religion and freedom of expression it is a great compromise to deprive religious people (in the states or out of the states) the right to what they consider is a sacred bond between a man and a woman
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They're not being deprived of it. They can still get married.</p>
<p>you got ishted on kid....game, set, match..</p>
<p>and I read what you said..you labeled them as terrorists, it's fairly obvious.</p>
<p>I will not resort to childish bickering as Sheed30 suggests. </p>
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Not everyone takes as fundamental a view of the bible as that.
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<p>Many do, and I don't think that either one of us has the credibility to assume many will not mind in order to pursue liberal progression.</p>
<p>childish bickering huh? OKAY!</p>
<p>Well...yea, either way, it's still the truth.</p>
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I read what you said..you labeled them as terrorists, it's fairly obvious
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Sheed30, do you ever contribute anything meaningful to a discussion? In the last two days all I've seen from is "atheists are obese" and now you completely misrepresenting what I said. Here, let me quote my own post (never thought I would have to do this):
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Quite a bit of Europe has legalized same-sex marriage or civil unions.
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if we don't allow same-sex marriage because the terrorists might get angry, well... isn't that letting them win?
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Two separate clauses. No where did I say that religious people are terrorists. The post I was replying to talked about how if we legalize same-sex marriage groups that "dislike this country" (of which terrorists are a part - this is undeniably true) would not like it. I responded by saying that quite a few of the groups that dislike us (read: Europe) have already legalized same-sex unions and marriages. Another group that dislikes us (terrorists) would just be winning if we banned gay marriage.</p>
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I don't think that either one of us has the credibility to assume many will not mind
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While I agree, and I never said many won't mind, I do think that it's safe to say that people will be less angry when our country legalizes it than when their own does. Again, most of Europe has legalized same-sex marriages or unions. There has not yet been mass riots for this act so I find it extremely unlikely that there would be if we did.</p>
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I don't think the world is ready for gay marriage at this point in time and I highly doubt that the federal government will rule on this during our lifetime, I believe the status quo will remain for quite some time.
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<p>Yeah :( I'm sure that regardless, you'll be able to create a loving, warm relationship with somebody, even if it doesn't get an official title. Best of luck Uri!</p>
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<p>That's great and all for them, but it's still a civil and legal procedure that doesn't have to have anything to do with religion. Divorce is considered unchristian - do we make that illegal as well? Do you understand the separation of church and state (the answer is no, you do not.)</p>
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Sheed30, do you ever contribute anything meaningful to a discussion?
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<p>no, he's a terrible poster who uses too...... many....... ellipses..... and fake-embraces rap "thug" culture to counter his conservative-religious side</p>
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They're getting one part of their goals fulfilled, preventing us from gaining/keeping our rights and liberties.
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<p>What you see as your rights and liberties does not equate to another person's translation of their rights and liberties, which is precisely why I say this is a very sensitive topic and indeed voicing pro gay marriage or the latter will offend many.</p>
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They're not being deprived of it. They can still get married.
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Another fundamental point which you don't seem to have a grasp on, They are being deprived of what they feel is something given to them by god, the same reasoning behind all the controversy in Israel over various historical landmarks.</p>
<p>Do I ever contribute anything meaningful...ummm no.....and just because YOU didn't get the obese joke, doesn't mean others didn't, it was reference to a thread about obese people...but yea..whatevs...</p>
<p>Maybe I'm dumb, but I still have no idea what you're talking about</p>
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Another group that dislikes us (terrorists) would just be winning if we banned gay marriage.
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<p>wait...that soooo just threw me off...</p>