<p>I did not want the discussion to be a battle royal between the schools. All of them are great schools and I am sure many people would be glad to attend one of these schools.</p>
<p>Still I am glad I was able to see the opinions of others about the schools. Like Hope2getrice said it just depends on the person.</p>
<p>Georgetown has gone downhill and is not at the level you assume it to be. Its a great top 25 school, maybe better, but not top 15 like Hopkis/Wash U. I am not belittling it, but in your case refusing to recognize the improvement Wash U has made due to your limited life experience seems a tad ignorant. I will concede that gtown has more name recognition, but for those who do know, WUSTL seems to be more highly regarded. USNWR definitely played some part in that.</p>
<p>"refusing to recognize the improvement Wash U has made due to your limited life experience seems a tad ignorant"</p>
<p>Well said. This is really true as there are so many people on CC who don't have ability to think that schools can get better or worse through out the years. </p>
<p>"However, go further into the business world, the graduate/professional school world, and the rest of the world, and you will find that both a Georgetown and a Johns Hopkins degree easily trumps one from WUSTL."</p>
<p>How do you know that this is true? Do you have any proof? So, you think that any grad school/employer would pick a Georgetown or a JHU graduate over a WUSTL graduate? If you do, then you should travel around the country and expose yourself to reality. When you're comparing these 3 schools, there is no way you can say one school can easily trump the other...this is because they are peer institutions.</p>
<p>"Georgetown is one of the most prestigious and oldest Catholic institutions of higher learning in the United States, next to the University of Notre Dame."</p>
<p>So what if it is one of the oldest Catholic institutions or was the most prestigious? Time has changed and a school's reputation can go up or down.</p>
<p>trying to compare the prestige of Georgetown to WUSTL is laughable. Bescraze clearly you know nothing about the academics of Georgetown, it's prestige, or the caliber of students that attend it. Georgetown has gone downhill? From where to what? And let's not forget that this discussion is about IR, and again, comparing WUSTL to Georgetown for any IR field is again laughable. Do you know the types of professors that are attracted to Georgetown SFS? Also the post-undergrad activities of the students (of Georgetown as a whole) are extremely impressive, whether you're looking at business, public service, nursing, medicine, etc. Georgetown is generally regarded as a peer institution of the top universities, and is one of the most difficult universities to gain admission to. So please, next time you're trying to put down a school, try and do your research into real statistics.</p>
<p>So again, for the OP, Georgetown SFS will give you MANY options in the field of international relations, including a renowned faculty.</p>
<p>Edmund</a> A. Walsh School of Foreign Service - Georgetown University</p>
<p>"trying to compare the prestige of Georgetown to WUSTL is laughable."</p>
<p>There is nothing laughable about this. They are schools of the same caliber. But I would agree that Georgetown's IR is better than WUSTL's IR. But if you're talking about medical school, there is no way Georgetown can beat WUSTL. So, again, you should stop saying that Georgetown is superior as as school compared to WUSTL. They excel in different areas.</p>
<p>as said above in my post, we're talking about IR in this discussion, and not medical school. It's interesting that the people putting down Georgetown and/or JHU are also the people not talking about IR in this thread.</p>
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I don't know about "prestige," but WUStL is more selective. It's nit-picking at this level, really, but it is certainly not absurd to compare the two. Georgetown is not as strong as many posters make it out to be, and it is academically lopsided for a top school. Of course, this is all relative -- saying that Georgetown is not as strong or well-rounded as JHU is not a slight to the school considering that they are both excellent undergraduate universities.</p>
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Georgetown. Any of the three could get you where you want to go, but I like DC the best of the three cities. Quality of life at WUStL is higher than at the other two, but Georgetown is arguably the most fun.</p>
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trying to compare the prestige of Georgetown to WUSTL is laughable. Bescraze clearly you know nothing about the academics of Georgetown, it's prestige, or the caliber of students that attend it. ....is one of the most difficult universities to gain admission to. So please, next time you're trying to put down a school, try and do your research into real statistics.
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<p>Well, I am not surprised if people don't know much about the academics of GT because other than law and the niche field called "foreign service/international relation", what else is it known for? Do tell if you know. Ironically, WashU has a significantly higher ranked political science department without even being in DC. WashU has been harder to get in for at least a few years, according to "real statistics".</p>
<p>Georgetown is a wildly popular school with an 18% admit rate in spite of its poor showing in the US News & World Report ranking. Many courses at Georgetown are not taught by top scholars in their field but rather by leaders in their field who teach a course or two on the side as adjunct professors. Thus Georgetown's peer (college presidents) and faculty salary sub-scores in the ranking are low and drag down Georgetown's ranking. But would you rather be taught a political science course by a scholar or Bill Clinton or George Tenet? Also DC as a college town is far superior to Baltimore and St. Louis, with great internships, etc. Finally, at Georgetown, you can pick your freshman roommate on their Charms site, which can make a big difference in your freshman year experience. JHU and Wash U are great schools, but don't necessarily provide a more fulfilling college experience overall.</p>
<p>of course real statistics show WUSTL as having an amazing med school, low acceptance rate, etc., but what I am annoyed about is Bescraze attempting to portray Georgetown as a failing school, unable to compete with the other top schools. Georgetown has a top 40 med school (obviously not as high as WUSTL) with great residency match results (which really is what matters in med school), a top 15 public policy program, top 10 nurse anesthesia program, top 25 nurse-midwifery program, top 15 law school, top 25 B-school, etc etc. It's known for study abroad programs, community service, students going on to public service, fellowship programs, alums in positions of power, etc. Georgetown isn't some decrepit school as some are trying to portray it. And as the above said, you can also look at the types of professors with real world experience in their specialty that are attracted to Georgetown. Sen. Chuck Hagel is the most recent to join SFS faculty. So, again, the OP's best option for IR would be Georgetown SFS out of the three schools, due to the varied program offerings within IR, the location, the professors, and the opportunities afforded to such a top school.</p>
<p>*i personally have no interest in IR (outside of int'l health), law, etc., as I was a science and pre-med student at Georgetown, however I can definitely recognize the strength of those programs at Gtown and think the OP would be wise to strongly consider SFS.</p>
<p>honestly tho, if I were in your position, I would narrow down the choice between Georgetown and JHU.
Both have great IR programs for both grad and undergrad (as the JHU IR undergrad is very reputable amongst educated ranks) and both are located pretty much in the same region (mid-atlantic) within 40 minutes from each other. Both are world renowned, hard to get into, costly, and prestigious with numerous notable alumni and faculty.
Just look for fit.
If you are honestly looking at IR, WUSTL wouldn't be a great choice. At least with Hopkins, you still have easy access to DC, and with GT, you are IN DC. WUSTL might give you similar knowledge, but internships and experience in a political paradise like DC is a necessity.</p>
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WUSTL might give you similar knowledge, but internships and experience in a political paradise like DC is a necessity.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that most people complete internships in the summer. Certainly most of my classmates do. Presumably WUStL students would not be in St. Louis in the summer.</p>
<p>at least at Gtown, many students have internships during the academic year as well.</p>
<p>IBclass,
Actually, GT is going to have significantly more recruiting activities simply because of its location. Schools like George Washington or American U enjoy the same advantage. There are also part-time internship positions during the school year that are available only to students in the DC-metro area for obvious reasons.</p>
<p>exactly as Sam Lee stated. I don't think any WUSTL kids are in DC during the school year for internships unless they're in a program, and at that point, with summer stuff, everyone is doing that...so...</p>
<p>JHU and GT are really the only schools in this group that benefit from being in the DC area, especially GT. If we were talking about a diff subject, I would definitely consider WUSTL, but as this is IR, you have top tier IR schools in Georgetown and JHU. why settle for other?</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification. I supported Georgetown for the reasons I gave above, but the internship comment interested me.</p>
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of course real statistics show WUSTL as having an amazing med school, low acceptance rate, etc., but what I am annoyed about is Bescraze attempting to portray Georgetown as a failing school, unable to compete with the other top schools.
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<p>I know your feeling defensive, but if you read what I wrote, never once did I call it a failing school I believe I called it a great school somewhere in the 15-25 range, if thats failing for you, good luck. For SFS GTOWN may be better, but overall it won't get you anywhere WUSTL can't. As overall schools I simply said WUSTL is more prestigous.</p>
<p>Okay, Bescraze wasnt the one who started "attacking" other school. If you guys look closely at one of the posts...someone actually wrote something like this:</p>
<p>"For prestige:
Basically, JHU slightly over Georgetown. Both, over WUSTL."</p>
<p>That is a really stupid statement as there is no way those two schools are better than WUSTL when you're comparing the schools as a whole. However, ff he/she had specified the field, IR, then that statement might be true.</p>
<p>bearclub, ask any faculty member of a prestigious graduate school or just people who have worked in college admissions for several years and you will find that the WUSTL brand is still considered pretty low.</p>
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<p>Actually, I've done just that. Over and over, for the past 6 months. I've asked different people. GCs, investment advisors, admissions directors, physicians, detectives, dentists, teachers, and even my cat's vet.</p>
<p>WUSTL brand considered pretty low? NOT.</p>