Getting Plowed: My Freshman Year at Princeton

<p>Let me add, neither of my kids have gotten straight As. But my attitude as a parent was that, in college, their life and their grades belong to them. (In contrast, I made my high expectations quite clear in high school) I guess it’s possible that my kids have had so much fun at Princeton in part because I have pressured them very little about performance?</p>

<p>I’m not saying that every moment was perfect, but we had very little of this high anxiety. It is a simple law of statistics that not all the straight-A high schools are going to get straight-A’s at Princeton. And it’s a simple truth of life that, unless you want to go to a top medical school, a tip top law school, or directly into consulting or investment banking, these same As don’t matter all that much.</p>

<p>What matters for most people, for long term life happiness and high-functioning, is that you use college to explore the world of knowledge AND yourself. To find out what kinds of things interest you, who you are, and how you operate best in demanding environments. </p>

<p>I was far more interested in seeing my children discover their own strengths and interests, than in any artificial and anxiety-induced grades. </p>

<p>Life is short and complicated and careers take many, many routes. Take a deep breath everyone. Turns out that the guy keeping score of who succeeds cheats, and changes his mind, a lot. Says the 54-year old, fairly sure she’s right.</p>

<p>In closing, I was talking to a guy who markets high-performance personal airplanes. He says that the guys who buy those planes are largely self-made. Some Ivy League, some don’t even go to college. Think about it.</p>

<p>Thought this thread was extremely helpful. Is the workload this hard at Harvard and Yale (which supposedly has grade inflation)?</p>

<p>Focus on the learning, not the grades. Be a genuine scholar. And have a good time.</p>

<p>Thank you for bumping this thread. Great post, Tiger2014. It is definitely helpful for upcoming freshmen to see this and set their expectations accordingly. </p>

<p>Great advice from professor jingle as well.</p>

<p>So is it impossible to get a 4.0 at Princeton? Has anyone ever done it?</p>

<p>Also, does A+ count as 4.0 or 4.3?</p>

<p>It’s not impossible. I know people who’ve done it. I don’t think there are A+'s just A’s, which count as 4.0s.</p>

<p>Now my question…is the workload this hard at Harvard and Yale too even though they supposedly have grade inflation?</p>

<p>I know a student who is currently attending Princeton. This student’s acceptance was not based on his/her academics. This student was not in the top ten percent of the class and did not have high standardized test scores. And guess what? … This student did not fail one class. The hype of grade deflation is not believable to me.</p>

<p>It is my understanding that grade deflation mostly affects number of students receiving 'A’s. I don’t think it affects lower tail of grade distribution, especially 'D’s and below.</p>

<p>Based on reading several posts about the grade deflation topic, conclusion seems to be that the STEM classses were not affected by the policy but the humanities classes were. Also, lower level and introductory type of classes have seen more of the deflation effect as compared to upper level, advanced, and smaller size classes… If true, it seems to make sense as it’s harder to give 'B’s and 'C’s when professor knows and interacts with students at more personal level whereas it’s easier to give smaller number of 'A’s when you have a class with 100 students, imho. Anyway, overall effect of the grade deflation on the GPA before and after Princeton implemented it seems to be rather small.</p>

<p>Engineering is affected by about 0.2 GPA drop. Natural sciences is not really affected.</p>

<p>A little failure is the best thing that can happen to us.
When you go to a top school like Harvard or Princeton, you are truly surrounded by the world’s best, which means that most have to deal with smarter people for the first time.</p>

<p>As a ‘recent’ alum, let me add a few points here. </p>

<p>1) Expectations. You’re taking some of the smartest people in the country and putting them in the same environment. Moreover, you’re in an environment that has substantially higher expectations that your average high school. That’s a good thing–it’s why you decided on Princeton (or Harvard, or Yale, or Stanford, or whatever). If you didn’t want to raise the bar a little, this is the wrong place for you. That means that you need to set expectations on yourself appropriately. If you’re put yourself in a room with 1300 people just like you, it’s a tall order to expect to be the best of them. Frankly, the odds of you being the best in the room are quite small–set your bar low and beat it. Namely, if you don’t think that you’re smarter than everyone else in the room when you walk in, you won’t be shocked when you don’t get all A’s. </p>

<p>2) Trajectory. Princeton (like any new environment) is an adjustment. It’s not 13th grade; it’s a new school, a new system, and new processes. It takes some getting used to–you have to figure out how it all works. That takes time. Almost everyone’s freshman year grades are their lowest (mine were almost .4 lower than my senior year grades). I went from what I think was 2nd or 3rd quintile (we didn’t have them when I was an underclassman) to 1st by the time I was a senior. Let that transition happen–as you learn the system and get into classes that you enjoy, your grades will improve. Will you be guaranteed all A’s? No. Will your GPA improve? Almost definitely.</p>

<p>3) Reflect. After your first semester (or year), reflect. What went well, what didn’t? What did you like? Not like? Where did you do the best and not the best? Make smart decisions, or at least understand what you’re setting yourself up for (“I.e., I know that I don’t always get my best grades in math classes, but I like them the most, want to do something post-grad that requires math but not straight As in math, and I’m willing to take the GPA hit.”). Freshman year is only 25% of your college experience–there are three years in front of you–reflect on how to enjoy the time as best as you can and make the most of what’s in front of you. Lots of people have rough Freshman years, it’s the folks who thought about what was going wrong and did something about it that came away happiest. </p>

<p>4) Help. The single most important part of this. One through Three is macro-level stuff for folks unsure of what to expect going in. This is for the OP and the many like him/her who are already there. THERE IS HELP AVAILABLE–ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS RAISE YOUR HAND. I’m going to try to scream it from the rooftops–THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO GET HELP IF YOU’RE NOT FEELING 100%. There should be no personal stigma against getting help. You’re not the only person with anxiety, but that doesn’t mean that you should suck it up and deal on your own. McCosh’s counseling and psychological services are there to help you. They don’t just exist for people about to jump off of buildings (though they’re there for that too), they exist mainly for folks not feeling their best, not able to do their best work, and people who are “struggling through it”. </p>

<p>Lots of resources are available, but you have to take the first step and raise your hand. If you want it to stay a secret, they have to respect your wishes by law. Your friends will never know, your faculty will never know, and in most cases, your parents will never know. There is no reason other than the stupidity of personal shame not to accept the help that’s on offer. Please, please, please. If you’re feeling anxious or angry at yourself or disappointed to the point where you’re not working productively or doing your best work, you’re thinking of throwing in the towel (in any way, whatever that might mean), or anything even remotely akin to that, go talk to a professional–that’s what they’re there for. It’s 30 minutes (or more) well spent. </p>

<p>Seriously.</p>

<p>^Excellent post. This should be sent to all freshman at every school!</p>

<p>Out of curiosity what classes did you take?</p>

<p>I thought the title of this thread meant something else at first…I thought this was going to be an incredibly crude Onion-like thread…lols</p>