<p>Kulakai, give the greek system a chance. I dealt with very little hazing in my process and my fraternity had about the normal amount of hazing for fraternities at my school. And the assignments were fun too sometimes. One thing I had to do with my best friend was a build a raft for guys to take on the river. Yeah it sucked because it took a while and we did it late at night, but it was fun being with my best friend, having some drinks, and getting to hang out with older brothers and their female friends while we built the raft at one of their houses.</p>
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<p>Ok, great, so you’re close to your team. What are your honest thoughts about your Drill Sargent?</p>
<p>In the military, the need for hazing is to break you down as a civilian and then build you back up as a soldier. Since it’s large, it doesn’t matter that you have contempt for your drill sargeant. You’ll probably never see him again.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, this kind of schism between pledge classes can drive a fraternity apart. And, in a comfortable scholastic environment, there is no need to break someone down. You’re either mostly suited at the start, or you don’t get a bid.</p>
<p>But yeah, in terms of the pledge process, go to rush and ask around. The organizations who do it properly will be proud about not hazing. Gauge the people and make sure they really are the kind of people you’d feel comfortable being “brothers” with.</p>
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<p>I’ve wasn’t in a college with Greek life so I can’t comment on that, but did no one else take issue with the fantastical stats above?</p>
<p>Even the most basic 5 minutes of research disproved the only stats I bothered looking up on that exhaustive list (Presidents and CEOs) - and I can only assume the other ones are made up, too.</p>
<p>6 Presidents I found since 1850 that were not members of fraternities before I didn’t care:
Andrew Johnson - no college
Eisenhower – West Point – no fraternities
Truman – no college
Grover Cleveland - no college
Abraham Lincoln - no college
Fillmore - no college
I didn’t bother checking the rest because I didn’t want to bother looking up if each university had fraternities. I know Harvard does and that accounts for many of them, but whether they were in them, who knows? I can’t tell by Wikipedia.</p>
<p>Also, an article in Forbes from 2003 (again, I’m too lazy to do much research) claims that a quarter (25%) of the CEOs in the largest 500 companies were involved with Greek life.</p>
<p>[Best</a> Fraternities For Future CEOs - Forbes.com](<a href=“http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/31/cx_dd_0131frat.html]Best”>Best Fraternities For Future CEOs)</p>
<p>Quite a far cry from 80%. The stats seem like blatant lies, sorry to say.</p>
<p>But that’s not knocking Greek life. It may be great. It just won’t turn you into superman and make you set for life. Or affect your future finances/ success either way long-term, in all honesty. That’s mostly up to you and your life choices.</p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>I’ve seen those stats a few times in a few different places and I always assumed they were absolute BS. But I was too lazy to look it up and didn’t really care.</p>
<p>Yeah not surprising some frat guy would make stuff like that up.</p>
<p>Of course the numbers could be sort of skewed if you play with them.</p>
<p>Obama was never in a frat but apparently he got two honorary frat memberships. </p>
<p>Bill Clinton is the same way as he was honorarily inducted into a historically black frat.</p>
<p>Either way those numbers are completely false and misleading.</p>
<p>I hear Pi Kapp at Clemson frats harder…</p>
<p>Misleading… yes, not necessarily false though. Assuming the rest of the presidents are honorary members, such as how Grover Cleveland is, then they are technically fraternity members, but not in the sense that this particular thread is speaking of.</p>
<p>nitro, a Pi Kapp pledge at Clemson died from drunk driving this past year. Definitely unfortunate but it wasn’t any of the fraternity brothers fault. I heard that one of the fraternity brothers even tried to move his car so he wouldn’t be tempted to drive it after drinking.</p>
<p>I’m not sure if this is Pi Kapp too but a fraternity has a house across the intramural fields. One night, we were having Relay For Life at the intramural fields and we were having a candlelight memorial or something like that and the party over at the fraternity house started blaring Bruce Springsteen. I hope that definitely wasn’t intentional haha</p>
<p>@exelblue</p>
<p>I liked all my DS. They were pretty cool after we advanced to the last phase of training. The beginning phases were just to weed out the trouble makers of our group but after that they were pretty much just like us. They shared some of their past experiences and how it pertained to what we doing. </p>
<p>They go through all the same stuff we do anyways.</p>