Going to an average high school ( and not CC level)

I have been scouring college confidential since last summer trying to prepare for college. I have been looking at different ec’s and ap courses that students from the top 50 schools took when they were in high school. However, when I look at their profiles,most of them to tend to go to really good schools with lots of AP’s and really good ecs (ex. Intel ISEF, Google Science Fair, USAMO, USACO). My problem is that I don’t access to many ap courses. I also didn’t prepare early so USAMO is out for me, and Intel/ Google Science Fair preparation is really confusing.

Essentially, I finish my work early, and go on college confidential reading other people’s posts about their really productive high school lives. About how some are doing INTEL projects or are taking calculus in freshman year? About how they go to national debate tournaments? Amy advice?

You need to be You. You need to take the most rigorous courses your HS offers. Look into Dual Enrollment if your HS does not have many AP courses. Your HS will send out a profile of your school explaining what courses it has with your application. Get involved in ECs that interest you.

Check out “How to be a High School Superstar” by Cal Newport.

“The basic message of the book is this: Don’t wear yourself out taking as many classes as you can and being involved in every club and sport. Instead, leave yourself enough free time to explore your interests. Cultivate one interest and make it into something special that will make you stand out among the other applicants and get you into the toughest schools, even if your grades and scores aren’t stellar. Newport calls this the “relaxed superstar approach,” and he shows you how to really do this, breaking the process down into three principles, explained and illustrated with real life examples of students who got into top schools: (1) underscheduling—making sure you have copious amounts of free time to pursue interesting things, (2) focusing on one or two pursuits instead of trying to be a “jack of all trades,” and (3) innovation—developing an interesting and important activity or project in your area of interest. This fruit yielded by this strategy, an interesting life and real, meaningful achievements, is sure to help not only with college admissions, but getting a job, starting a business, or whatever your goals.”

http://www.examiner.com/review/be-a-relaxed-high-school-superstar

At least from my experience, a lot of the experiences you described have a significant environmental factor. The kid taking calc in eighth grade was tutored for years at home and therefore was able to advance in school much factor. An average US school won’t dedicate resources to advance said kid initially without the aforementioned tutoring to back up the assertion they are worth the extra resources of advanced classes (either that or a more advanced school may offer more advanced classes earlier in life). That’s not to discount said kid’s achievement - they are obviously plenty smart and hardworking, just as much as those without their opportunities, however one must consider the environmental factors.

I’ve experienced the same with Intel and (insert subject of choice) olympiads. Often times these winners have environmental support, whether it be a school program or parent who knows how to get a high schooler into a research lab and prepare a winning project, or a school that supports Olympiad studying (that’s the situation I encountered when talking to Intel winners). Again, this doesn’t discount any achiever’s hard work and talent. I also realize that these situations aren’t the case for all achievers. Some achieve without any or little outside support. This is just from my experience talking to such people (maybe its just due to the microcosm of my area).

As a student in a similar situation (average high school, taking most advanced “mainstream” courses available [i.e, no calc freshman year] but nothing crazy), the best piece of advice I can give is that the internet is your best friend. Almost all the opportunities I’ve been lucky to have had were gotten came from my own research. Apply to programs online (ex. research internships if you’re into science, selective leadership conferences if that’s more your style - I’m mostly a STEM person, so I have little experience outside of that field) even if it seems like you have no chance (don’t have the stats, don’t think you’ll ever be accepted). When your environment is stuck in mediocracy, you can only rely on yourself for opportunities. The internet, and more importantly, Google, luckily, is the perfect remedy for that. Apply to everything you can. Research everything. A 10% chance of acceptance to a program is still a 1/10 chance of being selected. And once you are selected once, once someone takes a chance on you, once luck is in your favor, you gain experience which translates into better credentials for better opportunities.

I’d like to think of myself as an example. I’m nowhere as achieved as an Intel winner or Olympiad finalist, but I’ve advanced past what anyone in my school’s immediate history has done while in high school. My school thinks I’m insane for what I do (and I’m pretty sure guidance is super annoyed that they have to send in my transcripts several times for so many programs XD), but my constant researching and applying to random things has been the most successful route to gain opportunities.

Anyway, this is just my two cents on this issue (sorry for the rant, this is just a subject I’m passionate about XD). Again, this may be due to the geographic area I’m in, but this is what I’ve garnered from life as a high school student in an average area. Also, note, said programs and opportunities are more applicable to some fields than others (ex. a bio person really needs outside resources to get into a lab while a comp sci kid can do more at home without outside help), however the general message of researching and applying and putting yourself out there is the same.

@insertcleverpun I’m interested in computer science.

You could always do DE if your school doesn’t offer courses you want.

@Bobbybob444555 I could but I am also worried about my ec’s.

Schools have different policies on DE so you could ask. Just do ECs you really enjoy and spend time on them.

“I’m interested in computer science.”

Two things about computer science:

(1) There are a LOT of universities that have a very strong program in computer science.

(2) In computer science, prestige pretty much doesn’t matter at all. As one hint of this: A lot of software engineers (including the best software engineer I ever worked with) go to work in tshirts and jeans. A more important aspect of this: What university you go to hardly matters at all.

There are thousands of universities in the US, and hundreds that are very good. You might need AP classes and a long string of ECs to go to Harvard. However, you don’t need AP classes and a long string of ECs to go to a very good university. Six months after graduation, you will be doing just as well as the CS major from Harvard, will be making the same salary, and no one will care where either of you got your degree.

Do well at school, stay ahead of your work, apply to universities that are a good match for you (for example considering your grades, where you want to be in university, what you want to major in, and what you can afford), and you will do well.

Don’t let the posts on CC about students who have straight A+'s in AP classes, 2400 on the SAT, and a long string of ECs concern you. You can do very well doing it your way.

@DadTwoGirls thanks

Hoping this will cheer you up a little: When you go to a “disadvantaged” high school (few available APs, etc.), everything you DO have looks that much more impressive. So definitely pursue your interests, but don’t worry that you’re being held accountable for what your school lacks. You want to go into computer science? Start a coding club or hackers society or something at your school – voila, now you have leadership and initiative as well as experience in your field of interest. You’re overthinking; CC is not representative of the majority of students. Do you. :slight_smile:

@yankeeinGA Should I stay in my high school or apply to my state’s governor’s school in 11th grade? I would probably lose the advantage of everything looking impressive. Right now, through my high school, I will start taking DE classes through my state flagship online in 11th grade. However, what I am more worried about are my ec’s. At my states governor’s school, I would have access to more research opportunities. Any advice on how colleges will look at this?

You should go to the school you like best. If you feel like you will get more opportunities to your passions at the governor’s school, go there. If you like your old school, and only want to change schools because you are worried about colleges, you should consider possibly passing on applying to the school. The most important thing is to take full advantage of whatever opportunities are available wherever you go.

I agree with @Dax123. Do what you’re going to enjoy the most and let college sort itself out. You can’t pay NO attention to the things colleges will look at, but predicating every decision on how it will look to colleges is just going to stress you out and rob you of this time. Do those research opportunities excite you? Would you be doing it because you love it or because you’re worried about college? That’s how you figure it out.

This site has lots of good information and advice, but I think it also (falsely) leads a lot of people to believe that only tippy-top colleges are worthwhile. There are literally thousands of amazing schools out there, and the goal is to the find the one where you’ll be happy and learn the best, not the one with the biggest name recognition.

That was really helpful! I want to go into STEM too. Do you know of any websites that would be helpful to me (applying to online programs, as you mentioned)

@needtosucceed27 Well what do you mean websites? If you mean online programs, why don’t you look to see if your state has a virtual school. You could also look at the various science olympiads