Going to be a Junior this December, but still have no clue what I will study.

Let me preface this by saying I am a first year college student, but I brought in all the social science and humanities credits I would have to take from AP’s; so instead of leaving in May 2022, I’ll be leaving in December 2021.

Here’s some background on me.

When I was a kid, I would spend the entire summers outside playing in the lake either swimming, fishing, or boating. Naturally, I developed a curiosity as to how the world around me functioned. I’d torture my parents with questions like how did the fish survive when the lake froze or what mechanisms kept the water in the lake fresh and clean? When I turned 12, I fell really ill with a thyroid condition, so whenever I had extra time on my hands, I would research the science behind my condition. I really wanted to understand why my immune system misfired and attacked an organ. The doctors were pretty baffled by a 12 year old who’d question the hell out of them. The following school year, 7th grade, my science course taught genetics for the first time and I was hooked.

I took all three years of biology in my high school, flew threw them all, and barely put any effort in to do it. I still loved all three years of it and felt very engaged.

Also during my childhood, my parents would always keep the news on and my dad would tell me about historical figures. I know a lot of people may think it rooted from him, but eventually I would turn on the news on my own and talk to people about what I saw on there. This interest followed me through my pre-teens, teens, and all the way up till now. My views have shifted greatly from the time I was 12, but I still enjoy keeping up on politics. I never liked taking history courses in school though because the teachers sugarcoated them so much, we’d barely be learning history anymore.

Whenever I picked courses in high school, I always just picked all STEM options. I just always thought I would become a biologist because I am painfully shy, so I couldn’t see politics working in real life. Then, around senior year, I discovered how tough a path to that would actually be and how little money that would lead to. So when college apps rolled around, I searched for schools that taught bioengineering. (Since I was good at Calculus and Physics in school, I thought maybe engineering?)

I know you guys may say, bioengineering is a terrible major. Well, I found a school that offered a slightly different version of it named “Biosystems Engineering.” Out of 220 graduates in 2016, 88% of them were in a job/grad school in 6 months and the average starting salary was $61,000. BE is slightly different than BME, in that BE grads can work in medicine or agriculture.

I took an engineering course during my 10th grade year and I HATED everything about it. I didn’t like building, coding, drafting, the reports, or any of it. I just thought, that was a long time ago, maybe this time would be different. IT WASN’T AT ALL. My intro to BE class was based around having students talk to alumni. Every week, we’d listen to 4 people talk about their jobs. I just could not see myself doing any of them, none of them even remotely sparked my interests. I began reaching out to professors and career counselors. They all expressed to me that if I wanted to work with my hands, be physically active, and directly apply scientific principles I was learning, then I was in the wrong place.

So I switched my major to Microbiology in December and honestly I am terrified. Most people in my major just use this as jumping point to medical school, but I really don’t have any drive in me to be a doctor. The idea of helping/treating people does not appeal to me at all. The idea of going into academia also is really off putting to me. I’d rather get a job after a BS/MS and be done. (Unless I suddenly find some extreme passion.) The issue with that is that bio majors make terrible money. I know money isn’t everything, and I’m not looking to be rich, but at the end of the day I need to be able to save for retirement, pay off loans, a house, cars, and other bills. I’d also like to travel and have a boat.

Since I’ve last posted to CC, I’ve discovered a few things. I really do not like statistics. I am in a stats course for scientists, calculus is a pre-req, and I could care less about it. I dread going to class and the homework is a chore. Also, I can’t write a line of code to save my life. I spend hours doing coding assignments, getting help from others, and staring at the directions in complete confusion. I am not improving at all at this despite my best efforts. I haven’t been able to write 1 line of code without getting an error this semester. I’ve been trying to learn coding in R for my stats class, so this is the language I’ve been struggling in. So that knocks out bioinformatics, biotech, and biostats/public health.

I just feel so stuck right now. I don’t think I can take time off of school, because I am fairly positive my mom would kick me out and cut me off. I am the one who’s paying for college, but I do not have the means to live on my own during the summers, and I need her to cosign on loans. I do have a part time job, but I don’t have a lot of time to work it. I spend 12 hours a week in 2 of my lab courses alone. Can’t drop below full time because that would mess up financial aid.

I know your major doesn’t strictly determine your career path, but I want to work in science. I don’t want to be the bio grad that ends up in marketing or finance.

I am the type of person who needs to have a plan for everything. This literally gives me a lot of anxiety not having any idea what I am going to do. I change my mind between agriculture, food/drug law, and pharmaceuticals on the daily.

Have you thought about skilled trades? I know sometimes people think of them as the path for those who aren’t smart enough for college, but the skilled tradespeople I know are all really intelligent people. You don’t have to be that smart to do the entry level work (which, honestly, is true of many jobs that expect a college degree - showing up on time and following directions goes a lot farther than smart does), but the design and management aspects do take a lot of intelligence. Plumbing, electrical, HVAC - they pay well and will never be replaced by computers.

Construction management or natural resource management might be worth considering, too.

Many people use the first year (or two) of college to try out different courses and interests. Since you did that in hs and want to graduate early, you don’t have the luxury of taking courses all over the map.

  1. You don't HAVE to graduate in a year if you can afford it. You can try a few classes and decide on a major.
  2. You can go talk to someone in your major and define what you want to concentrate in. Ask about careers that aren't medical, get a job or an internship in those areas to see if you like any of them.
  3. Graduate as fast as you can and head to grad school, or work before grad school.

@allyphoe Yeah, I did. My entire family works in the skilled trades though, so I am a first generation student. I’ve spent a lot of my birthdays, thanksgivings, christmas’, and graduations (even high school!) alone. My family all do very well for people in the trades, but they easily work 80-100 hour weeks some parts of the year. I was always taught that education was your way to spend more time with family and not miss those milestones. That’s mainly why I am here.

What about Environmental Engineering/Science? or Marine Biology?

There are some less traditional schools…

. SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry
Syracuse, NY

This top environmental science colleges ranking is full of great academic programs for anyone passionate about sustainability. But none hold a candle to the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry. At SUNY-ESF, students and faculty alike eat, sleep, and breathe green. Forget individual majors; this school has nine entire departments teeming with one-of-a-kind eco-friendly programs. Some of the more unique options include Environmental Resources Engineering, Environmental Education and Interpretation, Sustainable Energy Management, and Forest Ecosystem Science. SUNY-ESF also boasts one of the country’s top ranger schools. Located on a 2,800-acre campus in Adirondack Park, The Ranger School provides highly specialized training in land surveying, forest technology, and research conservation.

or College of the Atlantic
https://www.coa.edu/

Also check out the Colleges that Change Lives.

Maybe you don’t want to transfer but you could see the type of majors they have

@bopper Thank you for the reply! I don’t think transferring is in the cards for me. I am very many states away from any SUNY college and OOS tuition is outragous.

I am really iffy on majoring in anything environmental because that job market is evem worse than the one for micro grads. I did some research on Fisheries & Wildlife and many of those jobs were seasonal and paid less than 40,000 mid career. They all sounded like fun jobs, but I have to be able to provide for myself and pay off a nice sized loan. (Looking at around 25,000). The schoop I am at is the only one that offers agriculture prograns in my state. They were also the best deal I would get financially if I wanted to live away from home.

I have an indeepndent study in a fisheries lab, and none of us in there even have a fisheries background. We are all microbiology and the post doc was EnE. So I understand jumps can be made, but I have talked to the 2 micro kids who just graduated. They told me it isn’t tough to find a job, but the pay for most things will suck unless you move up and out of the lab.

Biosystems engineering was EnE on steriods. It has a lot of similarities with Civil, ChemE, and MechE and so they’ll train you to solve any biological problem. That’s why the grads worked for the DEQ, Campbell’s, Stryker, Ducks and Ducks inc. I really did not like the technological componnent of engineering, and I feel that my 1st major was pretty close to EnE.

Honestly, there are not a lot of science-related jobs that require a 4-year degree and pay better than skilled trades do.

Does your college have a career center? They might have books and/or computer tools you can use to get suggestions of careers you’d enjoy.

You sound like someone who would like environmental science or forestry management - something that takes you outside and allows you to apply what you know.

Can you view those APS not as something that got you closer to graduation but as an opportunity to explore more because you don’t have to do prerequisites.

If you study what you like, odds are better that you’ll have the skills to do what you like. Shoe-horning yourself into a job through a course of study often backfires.

@gardenstategal People always tell you to study what you like and the money will follow, but I just have trouble seeing how that could be true. I am not outstanding at anything in particular. I’ve never won any awards, in school I was completely average, on tests at university I always score the average, and my tactile skills are just average. My people skills really aren’t great and my interviewing/networking skills are lackluster at best. The only thing I am super bad at is computers. If I am just completely average, then I just have trouble seeing how I could break into this insanely competitive subject.

Biology is my favorite subject and I always found microbes to be the most interesting. This is a tough realization that I am having.

Have you thought about being a genetic counselor? A friend’s DD who loved her genetics unit in HS biology, did a job shadow with a genetic counselor at a women and babies hospital and loved the job. My friend says the job growth is huge but you do need a masters degree. Google has the average annual income of $72K.

Do you like working with people or prefer being behind a computer all day?

After receiving my MS in environmental science, I realized that I hate working outside. I love being outside hiking, biking, etc. But I much rather work inside on spreadsheets than mind numbingly (for me) collecting data outside. For me, being outside is a hobby, not something that makes me feel challenged or stimulated. Just something to think about if being outside could just be something you do after work.

Good luck!

Go to your academic advising center and career center and state what you’ve said here. They can help you narrow down your choices.