<p>DMC:</p>
<p>Moreover, I hate to bring WSJ into this, but are Upenn and Duke not trouncing Cornell on those ranks?</p>
<p>Meltingsnow, those rankings [WSJ] are pretty pathetic at best.</p>
<p>DMC, what a complex conundrum you present us with.</p>
<p>your sat garbage indicates nothing. Like I have already said, if it was just based on that, Rice would be a TOP 5 university. Its Sat Range is something like 1350-1540, which has been like that for the last 4-5 years. However, Rice is not a top 5 university, however, its a great university with great students and wonderful faculty/professors.</p>
<p>Snow:</p>
<p>Wow, I thought we were done with this? LOL So you are tracing my posts now?</p>
<p>To answer your question: I also said Cornell and Duke are about equal. I could not find a feasible way of putting one over the other, so I just used those rankings to put the "Duke sucks" idea out of the question. Those rankings SUCK. PERIOD. However, they do provide an overall ballpark figure into the five schools it uses as the control (not 15 as you incorrectly figured). Moreover, the topic is Wash U med program, and yes....it is pretty much ownage over Dartmouth or almost any other school for that matter (exceptions being Harvard and JHU probably).</p>
<p>Actually Rice's SAT ranges would be much lower than the Ivies...Dartmouth's 50% range is 1330-1540.</p>
<p>Wash U doesnt have "ownage" of "med programs" just because its med school is good. I dont have any number to quantify this, but it seems like every time I hear another Dartmouth alum is in med school they are going to some amazing school. I am sure you will find the same at Duke as well.</p>
<p>5 of each, 15 total.</p>
<p>Didnt mean to offend you by reading what you post in an open forum: in the future I will try to look away.</p>
<p>it is pretty much ownage over Dartmouth or almost any other school for that matter (exceptions being Harvard and JHU probably).</p>
<p>Anything to back this up or do you just know it?</p>
<p>"Didnt mean to offend you by reading what you post in an open forum: in the future I will try to look away."</p>
<p>No, its not the fact that you looked at my post, it is the fact that you would actually take the time and copy and paste my words from another context and use them here. I dunno, it just gives me the impression that you have a lot of time on your hands. However, we wouldn't be here in the first place if we didn't, right?</p>
<p>To answer your last question:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/med/brief/mdrrank_brief.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/med/brief/mdrrank_brief.php</a> (Yes this is grad school, but it would be inane for us to not believe that its tremendous med school would not affect its undergrad program, would it not?)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.medicalschooladmission.com/washington-university/%5B/url%5D">http://www.medicalschooladmission.com/washington-university/</a> (Wash U requires higher stats, although Dartmouth admits less people)</p>
<p>Med School faculty:
"18 Nobel laureates have been associated with the School of Medicine.
13 faculty members are among the fellows of the prestigious National Academy of Sciences; 23 faculty members belong to its Institute of Medicine.
72 faculty members hold individual career development awards from the National Institutes of Health (NIH).
47 faculty members hold career development awards from non-federal agencies.
19 faculty members have MERIT status, a special recognition given by the National Institutes of Health that provides long-term, uninterrupted financial support to investigators who have demonstrated superior achievement during previous research projects.
8 faculty members are Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigators"</p>
<p>Med school support:</p>
<p>Grants and contracts totaling more than $468.3 million supported faculty research efforts at the School of Medicine during the fiscal year ending June 30, 2004. Substantial additional support was provided directly to faculty investigators by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. During the same time period, gifts and grants from private sources, including alumni, individuals, foundations, corporations and other organizations totaled $53.2 million from 7,159 entities. </p>
<p>The School of Medicine received $368.4 million in grants from the National Institutes of Health during the federal fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2003, making it the second-largest recipient of NIH dollars among the 121 U.S. medical schools. That money came in 775 separate grants, 691 of which were designated as research grants, with the remainder primarily funding training and education activities. </p>
<p>Research Highlights
Served as a major contributor on the international team that produced the finished human genome sequence.
Generated cells that, when injected into the spinal cords of rats, reinsulate nerve axons and improve mobility.
Developed a genetic test that detects whether an individual will develop a form of thyroid cancer and would benefit from thyroid removal the first surgical prevention of cancer based on genetic test results.
Developed a rating scale used worldwide to diagnose Alzheimer's disease.
Created the first PET scanner, a device that images the brain at work.
Helped pioneer the use of insulin to treat diabetes.
Developed a blood test for early diagnosis of prostate cancer.
Proposed the now-common practice of taking aspirin to help prevent heart attacks.
Developed a surgery to remove damaged portions of emphysema patients' lungs, dramatically improving function.
Pioneered research into excitotoxicity and brain injury.
Developed a cure for hepatitis B in cases diagnosed early.
Created a surgical cure for atrial fibrillation.
Performed the world's first nerve transplant using nerve tissue from a cadaver donor.
Developed a blood test that quickly and safely identifies whether a heart attack patient will require invasive treatment.
Performed innovative larynx restoration surgery for the first time in the United States.
Helped pioneer cochlear implant technology.
Demonstrated that bacteria, not stress, cause ulcers.
Performed the first surgical lung removal.
Pioneered the use of surgery and medication to lower eye pressure in glaucoma patients to prevent further vision loss.
Grew embryonic animal tissue transplants into fully functional kidneys in an animal host. </p>
<p>This is mostly Med school grad stuff, however, as said earlier, I think their grad school reflects upon their magnificent undergrad program as well. Notably, undergrads are allowed to study and have awesome internships at the hospital on campus. The Barnes-Jewish Hospital is the largest in Missouri
and composed of WUSTL faculty. It is also one of the best hospitals in the country be USNews</p>
<p>Shall I give you more evidence...we have time.</p>
<p>Truly a great grad school in Med.: though I'm not sure that addresses the question in the OP. Great Med school though.</p>
<p>"I think their grad school reflects upon their magnificent undergrad program as well."</p>
<p>Would the same apply to UMich, Berkeley etc? Great grad schools.. the best in many respects...better than Duke or Dartmouth in almost every field.</p>
<p>I suppose you think it does, though, as me, you seem to have chosen neither of them for undergrad.</p>
<p>lol DMC....also, i really dont think you can make generalizations on the "academic integrity" of the student bodies at these two schools because SAT scores...i mean, really</p>
<p>I can tell you that the med school - undergrad connection is dubious at best. My friends got into top med schools, not because of the Dartmouth med school, but because of the amazing opportunities they had to work with Bio professors, etc.</p>
<p>No one is refuting the strength of WUSTL's med school.</p>
<p>I dunno, it just gives me the impression that you have a lot of time on your hands.</p>
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<p>Who said anything about SAT scores. I used MCAT scores and selectivity. Would you like me to fly to St. Louis and ask each student about their academic integrity?</p>
<p>Snow: What are you talking about now? Who mentioned Duke? I am not going to Duke for grad school, so I really don't care. Also, UCB is an awesome school, just not what I wanted overall. The fact that I didnt pick it does not mean that it is not worthy lol. </p>
<p>Edit: Meltingsnow, I admited that the very fact that we post on this board alludes to our boredom, but what you just did is pretty pathetic. My point was that the very fact that you would look at my history and point out specific quotes I have made in the past proves how invested you are into "beating" me. LOL Have you nothing relevent to say?</p>
<p>You asked why Wash U is better in medicine and I gave you evidence. Please give me Dartmouth figures or stop posting.</p>
<p>Having been lurking and then posting on the Dartmouth forum for some time (1.36 posts a day), I have noted that you get into it quite often with people who are actually committed to attending Dartmouth 09, and on the Dartmouth forum itself for reasons that escape me. </p>
<p>I thought twice about addressing your posts for this very reason; however, I failed to follow my own instincts and, simply put, I certainly regret it.</p>
<p>OMG meltingsnow...that post history stunt was insanely not cool</p>
<p>Ah meltingsnow, I'm not the one following people around on a message board and engaging them. First it was here, then in the collegeselection forum, then on the Duke board. There are a lot of people with thousands of posts, but few who look up people's history and observe past arguments. I just find it...awkward. It's like having to come home from school and getting berated from your mother because you left the seat up. Just strange.</p>
<p>Edit: "Having been lurking...on the Dartmouth forum"</p>
<p>That's creepy.</p>
<p>Meltingsnow,</p>
<p>been there, done that. BTW, I agree with you on both counts. You pwned it...walk away;see you in Hanover!</p>
<p>Fountain, were you the one that had that grammar war with me and a few others? LOL I actually did better in Eng Lit because of that.</p>
<p>Let's just stop this now. It was fun while it lasted, but it is become tedious now. It's funny because I was a split second away from going to Dartmouth, yet people think I have some vendetta against it. Dartmouth has cons like any other school, it's just that I am one of the few who like to admit it. If it will make you feel better, I can tell you Duke's cons.</p>
<p>haha DMC that was hilarious</p>
<p>DMC</p>
<p>No, as i recall, it was just with you. </p>
<p>You seemed to have taken exception to the language I used in my posts; something about how, in your judgment, I was something of a rhetorical or grammatical fraud of sorts. Although I don't exactly remember the flotsam and jetsam of it, I fear I should not look through your old posts. </p>
<p>As to your posting the cons of Duke, such as they are-- and you interpret them, IMHO they would be best appreciated on the Wake Forest, Penn, UNC or Cornell boards, if at all. Although your honesty in regards to Dartmouth is both bold and daring, I fear it is also appreciated, if at all, only by yourself.</p>
<p>All the best at Duke, love the weather there.</p>
<p>i thought this little scuffle was over...though i do admit it is entertaining</p>
<p>LOL yuh it is. You would not have bothered to post in this thread, Siren, if you did not feel like it was worth your time. I could care less whether you like me or appreciate me, Siren. I enjoy your posts and I think you have very interesting things to say. So, if there is love lost than that it is really too bad.</p>
<p>Edit: The grammar war was actually among You, taurustorus, and myself to be specific. There were casualties on all sides. haha</p>