Good Engineering Schools to transfer to in the East Coast?

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<p>Seems this thread is more about bashing other people rather than helping the poster. So, I’ll bow out of here.</p>

<p>Generally characteristic of the Engineering forum, something you just get used to.</p>

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<p>I don’t know if you read the initial posts, but the claim you’re making is that the Blacksburg Transit system is on par with the New York MTA, DC Metro, Boston MBTA</p>

<p>Are YOU reading my posts? I never laid any claim like that nor inferred it. Are you reading your own posts? You’re comparing BT free-service to paid service? How often do you suppose an international would need to go to the airport since you bring up that point as something of such importance that you would need a sufficient transport system to take you there all the time.</p>

<p>That’s not sufficient for someone who has no support system in the country who is actually living on his own.</p>

<p>Are you reading your initial posts? Switching topics from talking about transportation for general college students to transportation for international students… not to mention the international student argument is weak. How often will an international student need to go home? Or visit the Library of Congress? Or visit the White House? Or check up on his visa/documentation? (<- not to mention this should be able to be handled through/with the help of the school…). And HELLO, everyone off at college is living on his own!? Just because mommy and daddy are only a 5 hour drive away doesn’t mean you have a “support” system besides from money. Whoa logical fallacy?</p>

<p>*That’s not a sufficient public transit system for an international student. Does Blacksburg have an international airport that’s served by major carriers? Does Blacksburg Transit get you to that airport? Does Blacksburg transit get you to consulate offices or government buildings? What about places of interest like international communities? Can Blacksburg transit get you to Amtrak? How about Greyhound? How about points of interest for international visitors? *</p>

<p>What in the world is the point here - I don’t think you understand the true basis of your argument at all. These are completely straw man arguments and do not follow logic. Not to mention you restate the exact same comments just to fill up space. The argument here is not about whether BT can “take you to” these “international points of interest”, it’s the question of whether these places exist around here. You don’t argue that Blacksburg lacks a sufficient bus system, you argue that Blacksburg lacks sufficient attractions. That’s a decision you make when you choose your school. The logic of your argument here isn’t about bus systems, the true basis of your argument is about contemplating whether you want to live in a city or a town environment - I hope you can realize that. I have foreign friends here and they get around fine.</p>

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<p>How about you guys pursue your arguing via private messages? It’s not helping SADFace08, and I’m assuming the majority of us don’t really care. If someone is content with the transportation system in their area, then let them be. Yes, New York City has many more options for transportation, and I believe that SADFace08 has already stated that he wanted to go to New York because of this reason. I’m pretty sure if he decides to dorm, then the quality of the education and professor interaction relative to the school size is what he’s worried about now.</p>

<p>Also, if you realized, he hasn’t even replied to your comments about the transportation. He asked about how to determine the quality of the school and how can he fit into the school. I’m not saying that he has disregarded the whole worry of transportation, but he’s concerned about other things instead of whose transportation system is better.</p>

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<p>How often does an international student need to go to the airport? Often. Probably twice a semester at least, and more frequently when family and friends want to visit you in the US. If you don’t have a car, how do you get to VT from an international airport? Take a commuter plane? That gets very expensive.</p>

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<p>My first and all subsequent posts were about transportation. The OP attends the University of the Virgin Islands, so I assume he’s from there. Obviously UVI is in the US, but someone from an outlying territory has the same issue as international students with regard to transportation concerns. You can’t just hop in a car and drive home to NOVA whenever you feel like it. </p>

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<p>What fallacy? There is none. </p>

<p>A domestic student does have a support system. I think you misunderstand the idea of a “support system”. If you were arrested, who would bail you out of jail? If you were in the hospital, who would come and visit you? If your parents live 3 hours away by car, they will. If your parents are a 10 hour flight away, it’s a completely different situation.</p>

<p>Also, “living on your own” is very different in a foreign country. You have to navigate through unfamiliar situations. Something as simply as buying stamps or where to go if you have a cold is completely different in a foreign country. How would you buy a car? As a domestic student, you ask mom and dad to co-sign the loan. As an international student, you have no credit score and neither do your parents.</p>

<p>As an aside, most college students aren’t living independently. Leaning on mom and dad to pay your tuition, gas, food, etc. is not living on your own. </p>

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<p>Someone needs to learn what a strawman argument is. Maybe you think that throwing around big ideas and concepts will make you sound intelligent, but misusing those concepts actually achieves the opposite.</p>

<p>The OP is an international student interested in studying in a “big city” because, among other points, he is seeking appropriate public transportation. You recommended Blacksburg because it’s a “city” (which it is not) with good public transportation (which it does not have). Further, you made that recommendation after New York was mentioned, drawing the obvious comparison. Clearly you’re the one that doesn’t understand the point.</p>

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<p>An airport is a public transportation system. An international student will want an airport with direct or one-stop connections from his home country. He will not want to fly to an international airport then drive 4 hours to VT. On the other hand, Atlanta, Boston, New York, DC, etc. all have airports and public transit to take you from the airport to campus.</p>

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<p>I’ve probably spent more time in Blacksburg than you. But how about you take your own advice and come back when you’re an international student - no domestic student comments.</p>

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<p>So most* international students waste thousands of dollars to visit back home? When you go study abroad for a semester do you throw thousands of dollars to visit back home? I have European friends who came over to study in NoVA on a 2-year contract and they certainly do not toss money to visit home. I have friends from Washington and they’re in the exact same situation as an “international” in pretty much all respects. Most OOS students are in the same situation as any “international” student, specifically non-adjacent states, and Tech has pretty much every state.</p>

<p>If you were arrested, who would bail you out of jail? If you were in the hospital, who would come and visit you? If your parents live 3 hours away by car, they will.</p>

<p>And these are the kinds of things you are anticipating when you enter college? That for one. For two: how likely do you think these things would happen even IF you are anticipating it? No, this argument doesn’t really make sense. Something you can anticipate are general hospitality visits but that’s only for those with the money to afford to do so.</p>

<p>I didn’t finish beyond that quote but I probably will another time. Except the last sentence which popped out and I agree with:</p>

<p>But how about you take your own advice and come back when you’re an international student - no domestic student comments.</p>

<p>In that respect, I have 3 foreign European friends as first-hand testimonies and so my opinion should be fairly valid. If you’re an exception then so be it but overall the situations do not lay in your view.</p>

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<p>Okay, since you guys were talking a good bit about larger schools. How much different is it from a small school? My current school has ~2000 students, and the science division is also pretty small, aside from the Biology division. The only reason I was avoiding larger schools is because I anxious about “fitting in” whatever school I may so choose. Schools that are centered in a good city are prioritized fairly heavily in my book. So, yes I’ll consider schools outside of NY as long as I can get around the city without a car. Also, is anyone familiar with UC Santa Barbara?</p>

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<p>I read the next paragraph and I wanted to stop.</p>

<p>Banjo, straw man argument has more than one definition - are you just relying on the Almighty Wikipedia? Have you ever heard someone say, you’re just “pulling straws?” It’s pulling excuse arguments after excuse after excuse when the previous excuse-reasoning doesn’t work or work enough to persuade. So you just dig for another reason and another reason and when that reasoning doesn’t work or work good enough you dig out another one… aka:</p>

<p>General college student -> international college student -> attractions or vital govt sites (domestic) -> visitations (international). (To be more elaborate: in the course of arguing that Blacksburg has a crappy transportation system, you begin with the needs of a general college student. It didn’t work so you pushed with international students and their needs and wants to visit attractions or govt places etc. and that didn’t work (aka domestic transportation). Now you’re leaning back on visitations back to home as well as visitations of family from home (aka international transportation).)</p>

<p>I actually don’t think Tech is all glorious, I’m only debating what I find to be false. If someone said to me their business school was excellent, I would argue that as well. (However, even though their business school isn’t excellent, Tech is still #13 in the nation for recruitment of graduates and so regardless they still get hired.)</p>

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<p>You recommended Blacksburg because it’s a “city” (which it is not) with good public transportation (which it does not have). Further, you made that recommendation after New York was mentioned, drawing the obvious comparison. Clearly you’re the one that doesn’t understand the point.</p>

<p>No, clearly you are the one who is really lost here. I mean… REALLY lost. </p>

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<p>(1) I never mentioned Blacksburg as a city (ahem… large town?).
(2) Making the recommendation after the mentioning of New York could draw that comparison so I just might agree with that - however, to your dismay if you read closely, when I brought up Blacksburg I distinctly commented that Blacksburg does not have the city-like nature that NY does. Hello!?</p>

<p>Pardon me if you find ambiguity in my clear statements.</p>

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<p>This is ridiculous. SADFace08, just make a new thread.</p>

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<p>Rose-Hulman. </p>

<p>Certainly different, certainly good and certainly lots of attention from the profs. Is it what you want? That’s a different question.</p>

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<p>What do you guys think about Grove School of Engineering at CCNY? Let’s talk about it.</p>

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<p>I believe jwxie is a CpE student at CCNY. You could ask him if you’re interested in campus life but for academics, it’s not highly ranked. However, it’s definitely cheap and if you intend to go to graduate school, then I believe it’s not bad at all. I hear the school (or maybe it’s just the physics output?) isn’t as good anymore. I’ll let someone else who’s more qualified answer you, but I would say it’s a good choice if you live in NYC and you want to go to graduate school. After all, no one wants debt.</p>

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<p>I agree it’s not ranked highly by US News or other rankings, though I am not sure whether these rankings are purely academic. From what I understand, CCNY is quite well recognized in the academic community and some programs such as CCNY engineering and Hunter College business are well regarded in academia.</p>

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<p>CCNY used to be a poor man’s MIT. In the mid-1900’s, they attracted some of the top students in the country, particularly Jews who were discriminated against by many of the top universities in the nation. If you look, CCNY has produced 3 Nobel Prize winners, perhaps more than most universities in the country (including many of those ranked higher). A bad decision they made was to make the school open enrollment in the 1970’s. They stopped the practice but the damage to the school reputation remains to this date.</p>

<p>CUNY’s have a great honors program that is highly regarded. They provide a free laptop I believe.</p>

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<p>I don’t go to a CUNY but with my limited knowledge I agree with this.</p>

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<p>yg7s7 asked my opinion already. I encourage other people to give insight about the school - especially the graduates and the engineers. LOL</p>

<p>It used to be really good - as you said. Well :)</p>

<p>We have at least 9 I believe, but 3 are physics winners.</p>

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<p>Thanks… I think I know what you are laughing out loud about. </p>

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<p>I guess they had the potential to have become much better than University of Michigan or UC Berkeley, perhaps truly a public competitor to MIT.</p>

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<p>Hmmm what about the laugh?</p>

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<p>Hmm… I think we aren’t addressing the OP’s questions anymore… we should refrain from going off on a tangent.</p>

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<p>The smaller the student body size, presumably the degree of interaction between students, graduates, and professors (as well as instructors) is higher. Note this is NOT always the case, because it is dependent of the culture of the school. Moreover, be carefully when addressing “smaller school”. We have a few cases to considers:</p>

<p>(1) Overall campus is relatively small and the student body size is also small, or
(2) The campus is large, but the student body size is about medium small.
(3) The campus is large, but there are fewer students in certain departments (for example, Duke’s Physics)
(4) The campus is small, but the student body size is around medium</p>

<p>As in case #4, you might not interact with your fellow professors as frequently as you think because the campus is small.</p>

<p>I am going too far I think. Anyway.
This anxiety of not able to “fit in” can be resolved if you begin your semester with the right approach. If you are afraid that you won’t make enough friends at larger school, think about what happen at a smaller school? People might also keep themselves at dorm, or the worst case, a commute school. </p>

<p>If you happen to attend a commute school (which is probably the case with most of the City schools), you will also have a hard time fitting in if you do not approach to people rightly in the first place. </p>

<p>Literally everyone has gone through this problem: the first day of {insert_something}…</p>

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<p>Oh god I hate this 20 minutes limited LOL</p>

<p>Well having 9 Nobel Prize winners (I believe they were all received their undergraduates from CCNY) does not make CCNY a competitor to MIT academically at all. </p>

<p>Our research funding is increasing every year, mostly from federal government. The number is really enormous! I think we are getting a lot because of certain recruitments and the effect of the CUNY Decade of Science. </p>

<p>Sadly, Queens College’s CS always compete in the ACM competition, while City, didn’t for quite a few years already. We are starting it again, but I do not know how well we can prepare our members (I am an ACM officer actually…) to go against Stony, Cornell, and Queens.</p>

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<p>In general, the smaller the school, the less the attraction of recruiters. That’s why public state schools are ranked so high for recruitment (PennState #1 and on down the list).</p>

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<p>Yeah I asked jwxie already, I just wanted to get more opinions lol.
Btw, Andrew Grove, a cofounder of Intel, graduated from CCNY with Chemical Engineering degree. Hence the name Grove School of Engineering =)</p>

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<p>By whose rankings is PennState number 1? Unless I missed something and we are talking about a different set of rankings.</p>

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<p>[Best</a> Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ.com](<a href=“Best Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ”>Best Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ)</p>

<p>It also shows the specific ranking for each major in terms of recruitment (i.e. PennState ranks 5 in the nation for recruitment of Accounting majors, etc.), which better a more accurate/better representation.</p>