Good Grad Program as Back Up for Med School?

<p>As many fear, what do I do if I don't get into medical school? Currently right now with 2 years left, I'm sitting at a 3.64 GPA, I think a 3.9 sci GPA. Statistically speaking without MCAT scores I have about the average GPA for med school. Which is not very good chances. So I'm wonder what kind of grad programs make good money?</p>

<p>I'm currently getting an undergrad degree in Microbiology with a concentration in Genetic Engineering at UCSB. I've been looking into bioengineering programs recently and it looks like a vast majority of them require calc II or higher, a course I haven't completed, I don't know if I will have time to. A huge problem with that is the school I attended before has their calc I is equivalent to UCSB's Math 34A and 34B. 34B is a bio major's calc II essentially, but it's honestly kind of weak. Essentially I'm unable to complete the calc II requirement because they've already given me credit for their lackluster calc II course. So a lot of bioengineering graduate programs are out of the question for me. (Hell if you know any that don't require calc II send them to me). </p>

<p>What are some realistic options in the bio field that actually could make me decent money?
I loved ochem, immunobiology, and all genetics portions of bio but I'm not sure if they make any money at all.</p>

<p>First of all, I am wondering how you think that having the average GPA for medical school means that you don’t have very good chances. By definition, if your GPA is about the average that means about 50% of people who get into medical school have GPAs lower than yours. You’re in the middle. You’re the average applicant. Med school has low acceptance rates anyway so a back up plan is always a good idea, but I wouldn’t panic just yet.</p>

<p>Secondly, not getting into medical school doesn’t mean that you have to get another graduate degree, and right after college. If you don’t know what else you want to do besides medical school, going into another graduate program just “because” is actually the worse thing you want to do. Honestly the best thing for you to do is get a full-time job and work. You may decide that you want to try for med school again, or you may find your passion on the job. But you don’t just go to a grad program to figure out what you want to do; you figure out what you want to do first, and then go to a grad program.</p>

<p>Grad programs don’t make money, people do. You can get an MBA at a mid-ranked business program and make $50,000 as a middle manager in a non-profit. Or you can get a master’s in political science and get elected to office and make $174,000. One of my former students got his BA in philosophy but is running a start-up now.</p>

<p>You also don’t have to go right after undergrad. You can work for a year or two (or 5 or 10) and return. If you need to take cal II before you get an MS in bioengineering, if that’s what you want, then take a year or two, take cal II and then apply. No engineering program is going to let you in without cal II (and probably cal III and differential equations, too). Personally I don’t want anyone engineering anything that hasn’t taken calculus II, much less something that may go into my body. You can still take the class at your school, they just may not give you any credit for it towards graduation.</p>

<p>Here’s the other thing - you may be interested in jobs related to medicine that allow you to do a lot of the same things, or similar things.</p>

<p>You may want to be a nurse practitioner, which is a primary care provider with at least a master’s degree (and often a doctoral degree). NPs can easily start at around $70-80K a year and can often top six figures within 5-10 years. Some specialties, like nurse anesthetists, start out making six figures. One example: Mount Sinai hospital in New York pays new NPs, with no experience, $96,000 as a starting salary. Experienced NPs often move into clinical or hospital management and administration, research, teaching, or some combination thereof.</p>

<p>It used to be that you had to get a BSN, work for 3-5 years and then go back for your MSN to become an NP. Nowadays there are some direct entry nursing programs; they are 3-year programs, typically for people with bachelor’s degrees in another field who want to be NPs. In your first year you get your RN license, and in years 2-3 you earn the MSN and your license as an NP.</p>

<p>There are also physicians assistants. PAs are “physician extenders” or “mid-level providers”. They provide primary care and work with/under the supervision of physicians. You would get an MA in a physician assistant program and get licensed. Most PA programs require some direct patient care experience (2,000-4,000 hours, which is like 1-2 years of full-time experience or 2-4 years of part-time experience), so most PAs were nurses, EMTs, paramedics, or CNAs before they became PAs. PAs earn salaries similar to nurses.</p>

<p>Both PAs and NPs can prescribe medicine in most states (I think it’s every state). I’ve looked at job listings at hospitals in my city (New York) and they have dozens and dozens of pages with job listings for NPs and PAs; they’re high demand fields and are expected to grow.</p>

<p>I would think you would want to go to medical school because you really want to be a doctor. Therefore, if you don’t get into a medical school, I would recommend that you take a year or two off, improve your application, and then apply again.</p>

<p>You really shouldn’t rush into a graduate program because you don’t know what else to do. Do you have any experience (research or otherwise) that would demonstrate to graduate students that you would be successful in grad school?</p>

<p>If you don’t particularly want to be a doctor if you can’t get in right after undergrad, I would recommend you still take a couple years away from school to figure out what you really want to do. You don’t want to forge ahead into a program that is not right for you, only to realize halfway into it that it isn’t where you want to be.</p>

<p>While I do want to go to medical school really bad. I need to go into a program directly out of college because I have a decent amount of student loans and I really won’t be able to afford to pay them off right away. It’s more of being afraid that I wont be able to return to academia if I leave because of all of those loans and my mother is retiring soon, my co-signer. I’m pretty sure that will effect my chances of getting further loans.</p>

<p>I think that NP program sounds like a good deal. I did not know that. It’s a pretty good idea as a back up. I also want more of an engineering or bio science backup. If I don’t get in I will definitely be taking calc II even if its at a community college. I found out today UCSB pretty much ripped up the whole 5 series calculus deal so I have to go to an adviser to see what class to take.</p>

<p>Right now I am involved in some clinical research with a highly respected retina research organization. I’ve designed a couple studies, worked up patients, written IRBs, data analysis and written grant applications etc…</p>

<p>While it is true if I don’t get in it’s probably not best to go into some random grad program but maybe something like a masters program I’m interested, a one year program that might help my chances of getting into medical school at a second attempt.</p>

<p>To be frank, that’s a bad reason to go straight into grad school. There are other ways to deal with your student loans - forbearance, adjusted repayment programs, etc. If they are federal loans there are about 5 different ways you can repay them, many of which are income-based. If they are private loans, you can talk to your lender. It’s in their best interest to work with you to make sure you don’t default. Also, you don’t know that you won’t be able to afford to repay your loans, because you don’t even know what kind of job you’re going to get.</p>

<p>I honestly do not understand the idea of engineering as a back up to medical school, given that the two careers are very different. You’re essentially allowing your desire to not begin repaying your loans right away dictate your future career, and that’s not a good idea - especially not without exploring other options for repaying your loans.</p>

<p>A master’s program that bolster’s your application to grad school makes sense, though. I am in a school of public health, and many of my colleagues earned a master’s in public health (MPH) in order to go to med school; most of them were very successful. I also have friends who have gotten a master’s in nutrition (typically a one-year program) or a master’s in medical science like [url=&lt;a href=“http://www.bumc.bu.edu/gms/gateway/prospective/masters-in-medical-sciences/]this[/url”&gt;Learn About the MS in Medical Sciences Program -View Video | Graduate Medical Sciences]this[/url</a>] program at Boston U as preparation for medical school.</p>

<p>Thank you for that link to BU’s program. I will definitely consider getting a Master’s in Public Health if I don’t get in. </p>

<p>I meant biomedical engineering not mechanical or anything like that, something still medically related. Sometimes I wish I did more of a hard science background rather than a microbiology degree track. </p>

<p>Thank you for all the tips and insight.</p>

<p>Jesus this program boasts a whopping 70% acceptance into medical school after completion of the program. I wonder if you need to retake the MCAT.</p>