<p>All those bright, wonderful, non-athletic, non-legacy, etc. kids are going somewhere else, where they are getting GREAT educations, with peer groups of kids whose parents may not be multi-billionaires who could buy their kids admisisons, and who are not likely consuming massive amounts of alcohol (the Crimson had a series on just how much more athletes and Finals Club members drink than the rest of the student body.)</p>
<p>What’s the problem exactly?</p>
<p>I think Harvard was 3-4% Asian in the mid 1970s. Less than now, but there were at least 50 in our class - enough to produce a few legacies. :)</p>
<p>Fwiw, Gov Moonbeam was active this weekend.</p>
<p>California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law on Monday a bill allowing illegal immigrants to receive privately funded scholarships to attend the state’s public colleges and universities.</p>
<p>The bill, dubbed the California Dream Act, passed the state Legislature earlier this month and aims at helping illegal immigrants who have earned a high school diploma after attending at least three years of high school in the state.</p>
<p><a href=“California Measure Allows Tuition Aid for Illegal Immigrants - The New York Times”>California Measure Allows Tuition Aid for Illegal Immigrants - The New York Times;
<p><a href=“http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/25/us-usa-california-dream-idUSTRE76O6FV20110725[/url]”>http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/25/us-usa-california-dream-idUSTRE76O6FV20110725</a></p>
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<p>Wow. This is very different from my kids’ suburban school, which, while it was no math and science academy like your D’s school, did at least have at least 2 sections of AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics every semester and plenty of honors / AP courses and electives to choose from. </p>
<p>You gotta wonder about people who say it should be all about the SAT’s, GPA and EC’s … it’s almost as if they willfully look away from the huge disparities in opportunities that different kids at different schools have.</p>
<p>Mini - the problem is sour grapes about Harvard et al. It’s as simple as that. I don’t like how they create their student body since they’re clearly unqualified, but I’d give my right leg for my kid to be able to join it. If indeed the student body is just some ragtag band of dumb-jocks, dumb-rich-kids-whose-father-was-Daddy-Warbucks, and undeserving-URM’s, then you should think of not getting in as dodging a bullet.</p>
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And he banned tanning beds for minors. Discretion is always the better part of pallor.</p>
<p>That’s minors, not miners BTW. So if you’re spending excessive time in a Chilean mine, you can still get your bronze on. Lucky for snooki.</p>
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<p>Why thank you; my mother thinks I’m cute too. I’m kind of girl-next-door if the truth be told. But that’s neither here nor there. I asked a serious question. If, indeed, only 42% of Harvard’s class is “open” to non-athletes, non-URM, non-legacy, non-international - why is that any more of a hardship to Asian-Americans than it is white Americans?</p>
<p>xiggi - you should move back to texas. the liberal state of california is far behind the conservative state of texas where we do provide in state tuition to the kids who went to school in Texas irrespective of their parents’ status. They don’t need to be funded by generous donors and fall short on it.</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>Oh, I think Calif has already been giving instate tuition to illegals who went to high school in Calif.</p>
<p>I think this new bill is to allow private groups to give money to the publics and then the publics will dole that money out to needy illegals who went to school in Calif so that they can pay their instate rates. The argument was that just providing instate rates was not enough.</p>
<p>I wonder how much money these private orgns will provide amongst all the UCs and Cal States?</p>
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The answer is, I don’t know because any answer will be another hypothetical response such as, assuming that they exercise a race-blind evaluation, it would be the same hardship.<br>
[sorry, i didn’t mean to dismiss your post, just didn’t have a good answer for you. ]</p>
<p>You know, I have a kid who went to a HYP and it was a big thrill and quite nice for him and now I have a hs senior applying with basically the same academic profile and it would be nice for her to go to a HYP but quite honestly she will be just fine at a gazillion different schools. The problem isn’t getting one of the precious seats at HYP. The problem is sifting through the multitude of wonderful options out there. The thing so many don’t realize is that the undergrad matriculation is not the end zone. It’s just the start. No one gets to rest upon the brilliance of their common app. And those undergrads at HYP are basically competing still against the kids at the big publics with great honors colleges and the excellent LACs and everything in between. So these big tirades over the precious seats at the exalted schools start to become kind of ridiculous.</p>
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I am not sure … say taking 42% of class as the entire pool (100%) and 17% of class is Asian Americans (40%), this agrees roughly with the fraction of Asian Americans at Caltech (37%). The slightly more AA (40%) at harvard is because the pool is limited to Whites and Asians only. Even if you may think the relative strength in verbal for whites and the more math strength in asians, this figure I don’t believe means any kind of favoritism (or reverse discrimination) in this.</p>
<p>Mini - the problem is sour grapes about Harvard et al. It’s as simple as that. I don’t like how they create their student body since they’re clearly unqualified, but I’d give my right leg for my kid to be able to join it."</p>
<p>Well, since I sincerely, honestly, and truly believe - based on real first- and close secondhand experience - that they offer inferior educations for the majority of their students to what one could get at a good (not top, but good) LAC, it all is a bit strange to me.</p>
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a good answer is … just ignore the thread. Like any parents, you get to feel so much pain when your own child is rejected and think much of the cause may lie in factors external to the kid. Your statement “I have a kid who went to a HYP” explains your attitude as shown in the above quote. Maybe you will be different, but most any parents may feel differently. I certainly do.</p>
<p>Your pain was due to unrealistic expectations, toughyear. If you had your kid apply to HYP – or ANY top 20 school, for that matter - and couched in as ANYTHING other than a long shot – then that was wrong. I find it unbelievably arrogant that anyone would apply to any top 20 school and feel entitled to claim “discrimination!” when they were disappointed. My kids applied to top 20 schools. They were fortunate enough to get in, but they NEVER had the attitude that they were entitled or that they should expect to get in. And they sure weren’t scalp-collecting. Then again, they didn’t have that silly, stupid HYP-or-bust attitude.</p>
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<p>Not sure I follow, but the point of my posts was that, if there is any kind of discrimination, the whites have it worse. As a group the whites are more numerous and have more “members” of the high stats group. </p>
<p>Yet, Asians are massively over-represented. Why do most of the complaining voices come from their corner?</p>
<p>I am always stupified by posts from people who complain that their child didn’t get a spot in the incoming class at an elite college, arguing that their candidate was significantly “better qualified” than the other 10,000 applicants for the 300 or so freshman seats. LOL.</p>
<p>I’m always stupefied by the parents who believe thier kid’s “spot” was “given away” to some other, less deserving kid, as if there was some “Spot” just waiting for their kid at Harvard before the evil favoritism and need to have an endowment crept in…say…oh…30 YEARS AGO!</p>
<p>Sheesh.</p>
<p>Of course, this exact same “spot” didn’t even exist 30 years ago when, say, if your family wasn’t of a “certain” lineage, or such, those spots were taken up by the evil favoritism and the need to have an endowment and loyalty to certain families.</p>
<p>Actually, some of these schools were more diverse 15, and 30 years ago. Virtually all of them had more (or a higher percentage of) Pell Grant students 15 years ago. Princeton, for example, had a higher percentage of African-American students in 1973 than it has today. The current supposed de-emphasis on legacies (not always borne out by the data) happens at just such a time as substantial numbers of women and minorities could actually take advantage of them for the first time. </p>
<p>What is clearly true, however, is that there are far, far more Chinese-American, Japanese-American, Korean-American, and Indian-American students than there were 40 years ago.</p>
<p>I flipped through my freshman facebook today from 30 years ago. Fewer Asian-Americans, but still probably overrepresented compared to their population at the time, and almost none of them from the Indian subcontinent. (My roommate was one of the few.) At least as many African Americans as now, very few Hispanics.</p>