<p>I do hope that both of these young women will eventually figure out what they want to do and get on with their lives. They are both very bright. They just seem to have unrealistic job expectations and parents who allow them to continue to live at home without working.</p>
<p>I worked part-time when I was in high school and college. When I graduated from college, I announced to my parents that I wanted to take the summer off before I began to look for a full-time job. They said “no way” so I got a job. End of story.</p>
<p>OK- now I am totally confused. OP- now the MIT grad is a “she” again?</p>
<p>Assuming these are real grads, they are acting like entitled spoiled kids who need a bit of tough love. That said, unless their attitude changes and they understand the meaning of hard work, they may be able to get a job, but they may not be able to keep a job.</p>
<p>*** I forgot to mention- I have 2 friends who seem to think they should be able to waltz into any job, but any time I try to give them a lead, they are full of excuses: “too far, will take too much gas to get there for what they pay, I wont be able to come home to let my dog out”, etc. One says she doesn’t want a job, she wants a career. Um, not sure there are any job opportunities she can walk into, especially when “no” seems to be her middle name.</p>
<p>Don’t take this the wrong way, but it’s really none of your business. I mean, we can discuss what might be going through the heads of these unusually bright people, but we don’t know for sure. Maybe they are lazy, but they’re not asking you to pay for their dinner. The MIT grad might be revving up for grad school or med school. Until she starts landing on butt on public assistance, I couldn’t care less. The vet already has her degree. All she has to do is decide when to start practicing. So what’s the big deal?</p>
<p>“Don’t take this the wrong way, but it’s really none of your business.”</p>
<p>True, it’s not my business. But by reading and posting responses on CC, aren’t we all getting involved in other people’s business?</p>
<p>Both mothers have made it a point to keep me updated on the situation with their daughters over the past year. They are both very exasperated that their daughters aren’t working. Yet, both are unwilling to give them the ultimatum, “Get a job or move out.”</p>
<p>I’d say almost all the posts on CC ask directly for opinions about direct familial relations. So they have power of attorney, so to speak. Or otherwise, the general case is provided, without particulars, as a hypothetical case based on categorical situations that are real.</p>
<p>It takes two to tango, ya know. Someone is putting a roof over their heads, feeding them, “entitling” them. Who knows, maybe doing their laundry and giving spending money.</p>
<p>I told D1, who’s a rising senior in college, that she’ll do a comprehensive MS Office skills class this summer. I think she’s up on the basics, but I said, worst case, you can temp, while looking for the “it” job. She’s got other plans in the works, but nothing wrong with a back-up. </p>
<p>I’m surprised PBvS is defending these kids. Losing the freshness of that MIT experience or vet school degree does not make sense, to me.</p>
<p>As for voyeurism and poking our noses in someone else’s business, so be it. That’s what forums allow.</p>
<p>All I can say is … don’t be too hasty with the criticisms!</p>
<p>There are plenty of un- and underemployed people who did ALL the right things, including working through the college years, participating in the right research, and interning during the summers. The reality is that the past years have been brutal for young graduates, with many of the “typical” options being (temporarily) closed. </p>
<p>Fwiw, it is good to remember that many an internship was meant to do “something good” at a non-profit organization, and that the “most valuable” way to spend your post-graduation years was often said to be the Peace Corps and similar positions. For many others of the 2008-2010 classes, the best prospect was to enroll in graduate school, without the “recommended” couple of years of experience. </p>
<p>All in all, the reality is that the job market, especially since 2008, simply … s.u.c.k.s! Even companies that survived the crisis are now hoarding cash and placing downwards pressure on the employment possibilities of about everyone. </p>
<p>People do get jobs, but rarely in the field, the city, or at the pay level they had hoped for four to six years ago. After all, not everyone can become a UI developer overnight.</p>
<p>Oh, and forgot to add … good we are not eating tapas and drinking cafe con leche in a bar in Madrid:</p>
<p>Unemployment Spain March 2012
Total Men Women
Unemployment [+] 24.10% 23.60% 24.60%
**Unemployment less than 25 years [+] 51.10% 52.80% 49.20% **
Unemployed from 25 to 75 years [+] 21.80% 21.30% 22.40%</p>
<p>Xiggi, it’s right to try to be understanding, but the description was two gals doing nothing- someone suggested a DVM could be volunteering with her education, the MIT kid could at least do that, as well. It’s about holdouts for something more perfect. The specifics of the job mkt may be beyond one’s control, but getting off the couch is within their control.</p>
<p>Even a graduate from MIT with a Bachelors degree in Biology faces very grim prospects for employment. A huge number of students major in Biology with the idea that they will go to medical school. The reality is that only a small percentage of them actually get accepted by a medical school so each year many tens of thousands of new BS holders in Biology, and to some extent Chemistry, graduate from college into an already saturated field. Usually the best they can hope for, if they did not win the medical school lottery, is working for a temp agency as low level lab technicians. These jobs are temporary, generally pay about $12/hour and come with no benefits.</p>
<p>Grad A would have been much better off majoring in Physics than in Biology at MIT. Even though a BS in Physics does not make you a physicist anymore than a BS in Biology makes one a biologist, many employers will hire a Physics BS for their quantitative skills which can usually be put to good use in a wide range of industries.</p>
<p>I’m glad I am not a relative or friend of the OP, that’s all I can say. I don’t think it is helpful to judge in private and even less helpful to judge in public.</p>
<p>Wow. Lots of people being judgemental of the OP. Its possible, since she has alternated referring to the MIT student as a he/she that maybe she is being purposefully clandestine with the specifics of their identity. And whether its about some neighbors kids or some fictional kids, it really doesn’t matter all that much if she wants so solicit opinions about recent grads who are acting like the princess and the pea.</p>
<p>Well, speaking as the queen of the typos, the references in post # 9 were to "Him " and “he” which isn’t a typo. Could be an error, but its hard to see it as a typo. So maybe the OP is purposely being cautious of identity. Why are some needing to ream her over the coals?</p>
<p>Could substitute teaching be an option for temporary tide-over work? It could fill time, earn money, and perhaps provide an opportunity for new contacts.</p>
<p>Like the OP, I am really curious about the negative effect of no prior employment when it comes to looking for work.</p>
<p>The daughter of a friend of mine just graduated with an engineering degree. She has never had a job in her life – no internships, absolutely nothing. She doesn’t have a single employer to use as a reference. (I don’t want to go into all the history, but her parents are not at all happy and have tried for years to get her to get a job, to the point where they stopped giving her any money, even for food. So this case study is a bit different than the two given in the OP.)</p>
<p>If I were looking at her resume, the lack of employment would cause me to chuck it. However, she is a female engineer with a degree from a good school. And some people think that she’ll get a job just because she’s a female engineer. </p>
<p>Since she just graduated, the jury is still out.</p>
<p>plebeian, planning on becoming a MD and actually getting into med school are not the same thing.
only 50% of Med school applicants are accepted, and the acceptance rate for Bio majors in PHD programs without doing a lot of research [ which is what you are expected to do in the summer to have any chance at all] is even smaller.</p>