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<p>why do you say that?</p>
<p>Brown’s CS department is extremely well-regarded nationwide as tops for undergraduates. In fact, I’d say that’s one of our stellar departments. It just goes to show that other than measures of graduate school quality, RML is divorced from what’s going on at the ground most places just like the rest of us, only he speaks with a certainty that’s just not justified.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t specifically recommend Brown if you’re into the business-school style business education-- we don’t really offer that though we do have a CS-Economics track. However, to say that our CS department is not strong or that our grads are not highly-sought after is laughable.</p>
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<p>Yeah I was going to say the same thing. I talked with a family friend who is a recruiter for Stanford’s graduate CS program (one of the best) and he said that the schools which have CS programs that really stand out to him are Princeton, CMU and Brown, so they accept more students from these schools than from any other schools. And apparently even though MIT has a really good CS program, not a lot of students go through it for undergrad, they seem to choose engineering and the lab sciences more.</p>
<p>^^ Really, ezak?
[Ph.D</a> Students](<a href=“http://cs.stanford.edu/People/phd_students]Ph.D”>http://cs.stanford.edu/People/phd_students)</p>
<p>One of my cousins did his MS at Stanford doesn’t know there’s a school named Brown. Guess there weren’t a lot of Brown grad at Stanford CS program 5 years ago. I doubt anything has changed since.</p>
<p>^ middsmith…that link you posted…5th guy down went to Brown…<em>still looking</em>…:)</p>
<p>And why does Stanford needs “a recruiter for its graduate CS program”?<br>
I’m not saying that there isn’t a Brown grad at Stanford now, but this guy asserted “more students from these schools”</p>
<p>It seems most of them are from IIT. lol</p>
<p>@ all of you ^ guys.
I’m just telling you what he said. He’s a CS professor at Stanford and works with the recruiting / admissions part for their masters program (maybe the difference is that the link you gave shows PhDs?).</p>
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<p>Great! But I hope you know I was kidding about its being a “party school”.</p>
<p>Here’s the thing that makes Chicago so great (well, one of the things):
hardly any other school with such a world-class faculty makes them so available to teach undergraduates in small classes. In that respect, Chicago is like a Liberal Arts College, but one in which the teaching faculty does ground-breaking research, too. No LAC has such a massive modern library system, only a small handful of other national universities do (about a dozen). But among that small handful, no other school has so few classes with greater than 50 students (4% of them at Chicago, compared to 9% at Harvard, 11% at Stanford, 14% at UC Berkeley). More people associated with Chicago than any other US university have won the Nobel Prize (it is second only to Cambridge in the world). Plus you get Business Week’s #1 rated MBA program, not to mention one of the only USNWR top-10 universities to grant significant merit scholarships (including a few full tuition and more in the $10K range).</p>
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<p>haha that’s good, i actually don’t want to go to a party school, i’m not planning on wasting my time partying.
and you have some great points there. the one thing that I don’t like about Chicago is the weather (i heard it gets really cold there, like really cold), but i’m sure i’ll be able to manage it.</p>
<p>I agree with all of the schools that have already been listed but would also like to add the University of Maryland, College Park as a possible safety if your stats are superb. It has an excellent business school and computer science program. Plus, it is an all-around, solid school.</p>
<p>@aajjc: Really, you think? I’ve never really thought much of it because I haven’t heard much about it. My math teacher went there for his PhD and I know that he really liked it, so I’ll ask him what specifically he thought about it. Thanks!</p>
<p>You’d probably want to do MS & E here instead of Econ if you’re more interested in Business.</p>
<p>Maryland is a very good recommendation. It has top rated Econ and CS programs and it has a good B-School.</p>
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<p>It’s not a unusual that computer science is one of the strongest at schools that offer the program, even at the lesser known ones. So, it is not unusual that computer science is one of the strongest programs at Brown. But I suppose it’s also the same thing at Williams, Amhest, Sharthmore, Mudd and the like. However, that’s not what I think the OP was asking. I think he was asking which schools have the strongest computer science program in the nation, and I’m not convinced that there are less then 15 schools (let alone 10 schools) in the US that have stronger computer science than Brown. </p>
<p>MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, CMU, Caltech, Princeton, Michigan, Cornell, Georgia Tech, UIUC and Texas-Austin all have stronger computer science program than Brown. But knowing you and your loyalty to Brown, of course you would have to argue and pimp Brown. Nothing’s new…</p>
<p>RML, according to the last USNWR CS rankings, Brown was ranked #20 in the nation. That’s not far behind Michigan or Harvard, which are ranked #13 and #16 respectively.</p>
<p>^ I agree; but if i have to shortlist the schools I would say are the pillars for comsci, Brown would have to be the first one to go. </p>
<p>Michigan and Harvard are still better than Brown for comsci. Whether the OP would choose Brown over the two for reasons of fit, environment or desirability, is another story altogether. That’s just the point I was trying to make. Brown is still good though.</p>
<p>And on the list of schools that are tops for undergrads in CS, Brown would creep higher than that 20, no question.</p>
<p>It’s not pimping Brown, in my own post I said I wouldn’t generally recommend it based on what the OP is looking for, but as usual, you show your bias against any smaller school who’s sole purpose is not to churn out the maximum quantity of research as opposed to having an undergraduate focus. Just like hawkette will choose the school with a vibrant sports culture every single time, you’ll put down any school focused on undergraduates every single time.</p>
<p>I only know what I know about my own school and I share accurate information about it. To put down Brown CS for undergraduates is just a sign of ignorance-- it’s one of the best programs in the country for undergraduate CS, and anyone with any serious knowledge about these things would agree. Of course, you’ll never admit that you’re uninformed beyond what you can read in lists, whereas I always admit that I don’t know for sure what’s going on on the ground anywhere that I don’t go or that I don’t have close personal friends attending there.</p>
<p>You all have good points. When you get to that top excellent section, it’s hard to argue which school is better, I usually see them as being ranked in groups. On that note, Stanford, Berkeley, CMU, and MIT would probably be the top group, and the second group would be Brown, Harvard, and the other schools that you have mentioned. But all of them have world renowned programs, so they’re all good. At this point I guess I’ll just have to visit the colleges for myself and see what I like.</p>