<p>I have a feeling that the unhappy poster is one of the “Wake ■■■■■■” (aka disgruntled student or unhappy mom), that keep coming back under new names…</p>
<p>Wilmingtonwave, you bring up a good point, you said “I also see a huge difference between underage drinking and breaking the honor code–which I can assure you people take very seriously.”</p>
<p>Ok, so lets see, here is the WFU Alcohol Policy, directly from their website: "…All individuals must be at least 21 years of age to consume alcoholic beverages on Wake Forest University campus. </p>
<p>It is unlawful to use identification fraudulently or to allow another person to use ones own identification fraudulently to obtain alcoholic beverages illegally. The use of fake IDs is strictly prohibited.
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Failure to comply with the WFU alcohol policy and applicable laws, subjects the individual to judicial action within the University and/or in a court of law. </p>
<p>Students are responsible for adhering to WFU policies/federal and state laws while attending all social functions both on and off campus."</p>
<p>That was about the alcohol policy, now the Honor Code: “When a student signs an application for admission to Wake Forest, they agreed to live by the honor system at Wake Forest. In specific terms that means that you and every other student have agreed not to deceive (lie to) any member of the community, not to steal from one another, not to cheat on academic work, not to plagiarize academic work, and not to engage in any other forms of academic misconduct. It means that we can trust each other, and that we willingly accept responsibility for our own conduct and activities.”</p>
<p>So, when an underage person breaks the rule on alcohol (whether they lie about their age, or are deceptive by using a fake id, etc…), they break the honor code (“lie”, “deceive”). And with that, they can’t be trusted (“we can trust each other”). So, if I can’t trust you on this point (alcohol), I can’t trust you. I can’t trust you not to cheat on exams. My point stands.</p>
<p>Now, I am not saying that all the kids at Wake break rules, there are many that don’t. A lot of them are very serious, hard working, caring, great students. </p>
<p>It is unfortunate that certain events at WFU contribute so much towards the labeling of the school. People in W-S certainly have an opinion about the school (after so much of bad publicity). Basically, schools have labels, good or bad, they have labels. I went to a liberal arts college in Illinois, near the Wisconsin border. University of Wisconsin was considered to be a party schools, kids that went there had a certain negative label. It is unfortunate, but it is a human nature. </p>
<p>Just like a personal reputation needs to be cherished and protected, so does the college’s reputation.</p>
<p>njmom…agree…■■■■■</p>
<p>To respond to KJVJohn, you must have had a bad experience with either yourself or someone you know and alcohol. I probably will be attending Wake Forest in the fall, and the posts that you have made just make you seem like you live in an isolated bubble. The way you characterize people that drink alcohol makes it seem like you think that anyone who drinks alcohol under the age of 21 will never amount to anything significant which is not true at all.
You say: “Now, I am not saying that all the kids at Wake break rules, there are many that don’t. A lot of them are very serious, hard working, caring, great students.”
By saying this, you are implying that underage drinkers are not hard working, caring, or great students. I am a normal poster on this website and your comments outraged me so much that I felt the need to make a new account just to protect my identity so I could let you know how I felt. You will find alcohol at every single college, and there will be those who barely drink, drink moderately, and drink excessively. Wake Forest is not an exception to that. However, those students that drank too much and were sent to the hospital that night made a dumb mistake, and that does not make them not caring or not hardworking. They obviously are if they were accepted and attend Wake Forest. And once again, for you to look up the honor code, and imply that those who drink alcohol underage cannot be trusted towards the honor code is just completely foolish.</p>
<p>KJVJohn is a joke. He’s really saying anyone who takes a drink of alcohol will most likely cheat and lie in life.</p>
<p>Why is a sip of alcohol any different than a sip of water? It’s NOT. </p>
<p>KJV John should be removed for being so ignorant</p>
<p>KJV:</p>
<p>I have been following the Wake threads on CC since my son applied and just found out yesterday he was waitlisted.</p>
<p>Since this is a public forum I’m reluctant to comment on the appropriateness of your posts. However, I would like to say that out of all the schools we visited, Wake students were some of the most impressive. Not only were they friendly and helpful, but they appeared intelligent and respectful. Ditto for the staff in admissions and the other parents we met during our tour and information session. </p>
<p>For anybody considering Wake who may be swayed by some of these posts, I hope they take them all with a grain of salt. This is an anonymous forum consisting of mostly opinions, those of which may be influenced by factors the posters choose not to share.</p>
<p>[WFU</a> | Office of the President](<a href=“http://www.wfu.edu/president/2010.05.03.php]WFU”>http://www.wfu.edu/president/2010.05.03.php)</p>
<p>Thanks for the link, rockvillemom. </p>
<p>It seems like he’s saying “we’re still working on it.” I was hoping for something more substantial. At least he’s providing enough info to say Greek life will remain on campus. I didn’t realize they were considering eliminating it.</p>
<p>I think there may have been rumors on that. I keep hearing rush could get moved back to sophomoe year. It doesn’t matter to me at all - my son did not pledge a fraternity and is douing just fine without it, but I know others are interested.</p>
<p>I believe that what is happening is that certain Greek organizations (ones who were most involved with “pledge night incidents”, etc) will not be able to take spring pledge classes. I really hope they don’t make us do sophomore rush – I think a lot of problems will arise for this.</p>
<p>That being said, I’m glad this whole situation is winding down. Greek life is awesome at Wake and we will all be glad to put this incident behind us :)</p>
<p>pink- would you say the “certain greek organizations” were mostly fraternities, sororities, or both? Rather than banning them, it sounds like the school needs to use this as a ‘learning moment’, and start with the glorification of binge drinking by these organizations- why do these kids think it is cool to drink until you vomit and/or pass out? Social skills are important to learn in college too, and learning to drink without being drunk should be the goal for those who choose to drink. Of course those who choose to be alcohol free don’t need any training.</p>
<p>“pink- would you say the “certain greek organizations” were mostly fraternities, sororities, or both? Rather than banning them, it sounds like the school needs to use this as a ‘learning moment’, and start with the glorification of binge drinking by these organizations- why do these kids think it is cool to drink until you vomit and/or pass out? Social skills are important to learn in college too, and learning to drink without being drunk should be the goal for those who choose to drink. Of course those who choose to be alcohol free don’t need any training.”</p>
<p>Both (relatively evenly split), yet by no means the majority of organizations all together. The problem is not really the organizations as a whole; usually the issue is just a select few members who mess it up for everyone. Also, some organizations who are in trouble arguably haven’t done much wrong. I don’t really want to discuss this online – but I’d just like to put that out there. </p>
<p>I completely understand what you’re saying, and I agree with you! I just also believe that a majority of students here can handle their responsibilities, and just a handful have a real issue with understanding the implications of drinking that much.</p>
<p>Thank you Pink- I am glad it is a small group that is creating the problem, and binge drinking isn’t a passtime for most students.</p>