H vs. Y vs. P vs. S for a prospective philosophy major?

<p>Which of the HYPS is ideal for a prospective philosophy major? I've visited H and S so far (LOVED Stanford, was left quite unimpressed by Harvard) and will be visiting Y and P in the coming weeks, and would like to hear people's analysis and thoughts on each of their philosophy departments, notable professors, range of classes available, grading policies, etc. to supplement my decision on which school to apply early to (I'm leaning towards Stanford or Yale at the moment, but I'm curious to hear your responses nonetheless.)</p>

<p>And I appreciate any sort of advice and help, but please, no "just go where you're most comfortable" posts; I'm just asking for an outsider's view on the schools specifically in regards to this one major.</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>Princeton has Cornel West. dont think you could go wrong with these schools for philosophy (not that you can really rate the strength of a philosophy department in any meaningful way).</p>

<p>All of these schools are good for phil- choose on fit.</p>

<p>oh lets cut the foreplay.</p>

<p>Go to Princeton!</p>

<p>(you know you wanna say it YaleSocietyMember)</p>

<p>If going to the best philosophy departments is more important than the college you should look real hard at NYU and Rutgers.</p>

<p>im not sure how important the strength of the department would be, because most philosophy majors don't go into philosophy-related careers.</p>

<p>What kind of philosophy? Analytical? Logic? Classical? Medieval? History of? Post-Quine? Ehtics? Political? If you don't know, might I suggest you'd be better off at a good LAC?</p>

<p>Logic, ethics and/or poltical.</p>

<p>Stanford!!!! haha.</p>

<p>i think you might want to work on getting in first. Apply to all 4, and be proud of yourself if you get into 1.</p>

<p>As you should know, all four schools have incredibly different atmospheres. Princeton has traditionally had one of and often the best phil department, but Harvard, Yale, and Stanford are all nearly as good and probalby better in certain areas. I recommend the philosophical gourmet report, but there are many problems with this report. It has advice about where to go for undergrad, and what factors to use in choosing. Basically, the answer you will get is going to be "best fit for you is the best," and I agree. You might keep in mind number of requirements that each school would have ou fulfill, attention you will receive as an undergraduate, ect. Each department will equally prepare you for general philosophy studies, and you won't be able to take advantage of graduate seminars until your senior year, in which case a few will be offered in your prospective fields.</p>

<p>I always chuckle when people try to decide which of HYPS has the best academics...they're all good!!! Any differences are nominal. Choose on fit. And acceptance. Oh yeah...that.</p>

<p>Princeton is traditionally the best of those 4 but Stanford and Harvard are not significantly weaker. The NRC ranking places Princeton at first while The Philosophical Gourmet Report currently has Princeton behind NYU and Rutgers although it has placed first in 2002 and 2001 as well. However, most rankings seem to place Yale fairly low for whatever that matters. Nevertheless, for an undergraduate Philosophy major I don't know how pertinent these rankings would be. I would usually say that you shouldn't select a school based on its strength in one major but considering that Harvard, Princeton, Yale and Stanford are strong pretty much across the board, you really can't go wrong with any of them. I think Stanford and Princeton are more similar to each other than they are with either Harvard or Yale (I say this because I personally loved S and P and wasn't too taken away by H or Y). Every philosophy major I know at Princeton seems to be really happy and the dept. has great professors (and a wonderful mix, from Cornel West to Robert George). The philosophical gourmet seems to agree, as faculty ratings place Princeton above HYS. Nevertheless, I stress that for undergraduate study, fit should be more important. Strength of dept is still important but I would say you should pick among Princeton, Harvard and Stanford and decide which you like best.</p>

<p>UNDERGRADUATE STUDY </p>

<p>Over the years, many high school students or their parents have contacted me to inquire how to use the Report with respect to choosing an undergraduate institution. The first point to make is that the focus of this Report is on graduate study only: Pittsburgh may have an outstanding philosophy department, but it might make more sense for a good student interested in philosophy to do his or her undergraduate work at Johns Hopkins or Amherst, where student-faculty ratios are more favorable, and where there is a stronger focus on undergraduate education. Many faculty at major departments did not do their undergraduate work at institutions with top-ranked PhD programs. The tenured faculty at Michigan , for example, did undergraduate work at Harvard (2), Swarthmore (2), Wesleyan, Tulane, Oberlin, Amherst, Berkeley, and John Carroll, among other places. Texas faculty did undergraduate work at Yale (4), Princeton (3), Haverford, Drew , Cal Tech, Missouri , Michigan State , Brown, UVA, and Columbia , among other places. There are eminent philosophers--who have held or now hold tenured posts at top ten departments--who did their undergraduate work at the University of New Mexico, Queens College (New York), and the University of Pittsburgh. It is possible to get good philosophical training in many undergraduate settings.</p>

<p>High school students interested in philosophy would do best to identify schools that have strong reputations for undergraduate education first. Only then, should they look in to the quality of the philosophy department. Some ranked PhD programs have good reputations for undergraduate education, like Princeton , Yale, Brown and Rice, among many others. The larger universities (like Harvard or Michigan or Texas ) tend to offer a more mixed undergraduate experience, largely due to their size. Since much of the teaching at those institutions will be done by graduate students, it pays to go to a school with a strong PhD program, since that will affect the intellectual caliber of teachers you will encounter.</p>

<p>Among schools that do not offer the PhD or MA in philosophy, those with the best philosophy faculties would probably include: Amherst College, California Institute of Technology, Dartmouth College , Reed College , University of Vermont , and Wellesley College . But many other good liberal arts colleges and universities that only offer a B.A. have strong philosophy faculties as well (i.e., faculties doing philosophical work at the research university level), for example: Barnard College; Bates College; Brandeis University; California State University at Northridge; Colby College; Colgate University; Davidson College; Franklin & Marshall College; Haverford College; Mt. Holyoke College; Iowa State University; Kansas State University; New College (South Florida); North Carolina State University; Oberlin College; Occidental College; Pomona College; Smith College; Southern Methodist University; Swarthmore College; Trinity University (San Antonio); University of Alabama at Birmingham; University of Delaware; University of Massachussetts at Boston; Vassar College; Virginia Commonwealth University; Wesleyan University; Western Washington University; and College of Willliam & Mary, among others. (This list is not exhaustive; see below for how to evaluate other programs.) St. John's College , the "great books" school at both Annapolis and Santa Fe , offers strong historical coverage of the field, but weaker coverage of contemporary philosophy; still, many St. John's grads do well in admissions to graduate school.</p>

<p>In general, when looking at the philosophy department of a liberal arts college, you should look at two things. (1) Does the department provide regular offerings in the history of philosophy (ancient, modern, Continental), formal logic, value theory (moral and political philosophy), and some combination of metaphysics, epistemology, philosophy of language and philosophy of mind. You will need courses in most of these areas to be adequately prepared for graduate study, not to mention to get a serious education in philosophy. (2) Where did the faculty earn their PhD? The majority of the faculty at any good department should have earned PhDs from well-ranked programs (as a rule of thumb, those in the top 50). If significant numbers of faculty earned their PhDs elsewhere, be wary. Some liberal arts colleges, even some very good ones, have philosophy faculties that are now pretty far on the margins of the discipline.</p>

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<p>One word:</p>

<p>Stanford</p>