Happiest Students

[doctorb]

<p>I think this is the list most colleges want to be on. According to Princeton Review:</p>

<p>Brown
Clemson
Claremont Mckenna
Stanford
Bowdoin
Yale
Stonehill
Rice
St Mary's Maryland
Colorado College
UAB
Prescott
Dayton
William & Mary
Whitman
Olin
Colgate
JMU
Duke
WPI</p>

<p>Only two Ivies, and no major large public. Very surprising.</p>

[IBclass06]

<p>

I think this is the list most colleges want to be on.

I think most colleges couldn’t care less about this or any other PR list. I am usually not an Ivy cheerleader, but any of them would crush most of those schools in yield, freshman retention, and graduation rate. </p>

<p>

no major large public. Very surprising.

I’ve posted before about how much PR “rankings” change from year to year. They seem to abhor the idea of consistent (or accurate) rankings. Past lists have included publics like UNC, and this one has Clemson.</p>

[Hope2getrice]

<p>basically everybody “in-the-know” knows that these “rankings” are just crap. no one really pays attention to them.</p>

[gadad]

<p>I like the PR summaries - I think the “students say” blurbs can be helpful - but my sense is that the N on their surveys of each campus is small, hence the inconsistencies. However, when you consider the amount of influence that just one or two opinions from acquaintances at a party is likely to have on most prospective students, the PR data is probably more representative than that.</p>

[tk21769]

<p>

I am usually not an Ivy cheerleader, but any of them would crush most of those schools in yield, freshman retention, and graduation rate.

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<p>Here’s a comparison of freshman retention rates of some of the Ivies and some of the LACs on the “happiest” list:</p>

<p>School …Freshman Retention Rate
Yale…99%
Princeton…98%
Dartmouth…98%
Claremont Mckenna…97%
Bowdoin…97%
Cornell University…97%
Brown…97%
Colorado College…94%
Colgate…94%
Whitman…93%</p>

<p>These rates look pretty close to me. I expect the yield differences would be much greater, but that’s not a very good indicator of relative satisfaction among matriculated students. </p>

<p>As for graduation rates, the Ivies do very well on this score, and some of the LACs above do have much lower rates. I don’t know how well that correlates to differences in satisfaction or happiness. Maybe it’s because the Ivies accept stronger students, or because they give better financial aid. </p>

<p>Personally, I’m not too surprised at many of the schools showing up on this list. Bowdoin, Colorado College, St. Mary’s Maryland, Whitman, and Colgate are all small schools in beautiful settings with good outdoor recreation opportunities, as well as good academic reputations.</p>

[kwu]

<p>

I am usually not an Ivy cheerleader, but any of them would crush most of those schools in yield, freshman retention, and graduation rate.

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<p>A school’s yield, freshman retention, and graduation rate do not tell the whole story about whether its students are happy.</p>

<p>Ivy League prestige guarantees high yields, and the perceived social and financial payoffs of having such degrees also ensure high retention and graduation rates.</p>

<p>I’m pretty damned miserable, but I am going to graduate, alongside 96 percent of my class.</p>

[IBclass06]

<p>

@kwu

A school’s yield, freshman retention, and graduation rate do not tell the whole story about whether its students are happy.

Perhaps not, but a retention rate of 75% looks odd for a happy school.</p>

<p>I don’t have the patience to pull up alumni giving rates, but I’m willing to bet they also contradict the PR list.</p>

<p>Releasing the COFHE results would certainly be one way to determine student happiness, but unfortunately only Harvard has done so. :(</p>

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@tk21769

These rates look pretty close to me.

Here’s the full list of PR schools, Ivies, and top publics.</p>

<p>Only 6 of the 20 PR schools have retention rates above that of the lowest Ivy and elite public. </p>

<p>Yale…99%
Stanford…98.3%
Princeton…98%
Columbia…98%
Dartmouth…98%
Penn…98%
Bowdoin…97%
Brown…97%
Claremont McKenna…97%
Cornell…97%
Rice…97%
UCLA…97%
UVA…97%
UNC…96.5%
Berkeley…96.1%
Duke…96%
Harvard…96%
Michigan…96%
W&M…96%
Olin…95%
Colorado College…94%
Colgate…94%
Whitman…93%
WPI…92%
Clemson…91.5%
JMU…91.4%
St. Mary’s…91%
Stonehill…89%
Dayton…87%
UAB…79.3%
Prescott…75%</p>

<p>Source: CDS</p>

[pierre0913]

<p>you missed highlighting Brown in red?</p>

<p>and what’s CDS stand for? I think in US News it said that Clemson’s retention rate was 89%</p>

[IBclass06]

<p>I didn’t highlight Brown or Yale in red since they are both in the PR list.</p>

<p>CDS is the Common Data Set. Clemson’s 91.5% statistic is the most recent available (fall 2007 –> fall 2008). The last time Clemson’s retention rate was 89% was in 2006, hence the danger of outdated USNWR data.</p>

[saejinbilly]

<p>Retention rate is a function of many things. I believe that most freshmen who leave leave for 3 reasons, or a combination of them. Those 3 are academic difficulties, financial circumstances, and unhappiness with university life. Frankly, I think those who leave top universities are more likely to be affected by the third factor than the first two. On the other hand, at some lesser publics, financial reasons are probably a more dominant factor. Even then, you have to consider that some people leave because that was their plan all along, that is, to transfer to a better school.</p>

[LogicWarrior]

<p>Top schools will have higher retention rates since there is pressure (parents, future salary) to stay at a top school even if you don’t like it.</p>

<p>You can throw out retention rate as a measure for happiest students now.</p>

[Here_to_Help]

<p>

Only two Ivies, and no major large public. Very surprising.

JMU is a large public school. W&M is a medium sized public school…</p>

[IBclass06]

<p>

@Logic Warrior

Top schools will have higher retention rates since there is pressure (parents, future salary) to stay at a top school even if you don’t like it.</p>

<p>You can throw out retention rate as a measure for happiest students now.

…yet Bowdoin has a higher retention rate than Harvard or Duke. Is it losing fewer students because the “pressure” to stay at Bowdoin is greater than at Harvard? </p>

<p>As kwu mentioned, there are advantages to staying at a top school, but it is obviously possible to transfer from one to another (e.g. from Columbia to Dartmouth). While freshman retention is only piece of the puzzle, I certainly would not “throw it out.”</p>

[Papa_Chicken]

<p>ib-- you have Harvard’s cds? (Columbia & Penn, too?) These are 3 of the most secretive/non-transparent institutions around, with no prior CDS release to my understanding.</p>

[LogicWarrior]

<p>You’d need to adjust for the school’s prestige.</p>

[kwu]

<p>lrn 2 google:</p>

<p>Harvard (2008-2009): <a href=“http://www.provost.harvard.edu/institutional_research/Provost_-_CDS2008_2009_Harvard_for_Web_Clean.pdf[/url]”>http://www.provost.harvard.edu/institutional_research/Provost_-_CDS2008_2009_Harvard_for_Web_Clean.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[IBclass06]

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@Papa Chicken

ib-- you have Harvard’s cds? (Columbia & Penn, too?) These are 3 of the most secretive/non-transparent institutions around, with no prior CDS release to my understanding.

Good catch. No, I don’t have Columbia or Penn. I had to get that information indirectly through IPEDS.</p>

[eatsalot]

<p>It’s weird how my three favorite schools, Duke, Columbia, and Penn, don’t have CDS -_-</p>

[swish14]

<p>The whole “prestige” deal isnt much solace if you are not happy.There is more to college than bragging to high school friends. I always hope that kids look at setting, weather, dorm set ups, size, attitudes of a school rather than its “ranking” or “prestige”</p>

[ohmadre]

<p>According to their summary of their methodology, PR only runs its formal survey at a given institution once every three years unless there has been an event they deem sufficiently significant to warrant a earlier revisit. That, in part, explains the fluctuation.</p>