<p>Title of this thread: SOUR GRAPES </p>
<p>lol.</p>
<p>"Eric Lander’primary appointment is in MIT and his salary is paid through MIT. All his grants are listed and administered through MIT. "</p>
<p>Eric Lander’s salary is paid through grants not through MIT. MIT and Harvard will pay if he runs out of grants, which I highly doubt would ever happen. Eric Lander’s grants are administered through the Broad Institute, Inc. (please check the NIH CRISP database), which is technically an independent entity affiliated with Harvard and MIT, just as the Institute for Advanced Study is independent from Princeton. Eric Lander has many Harvard graduate students and postdocs with Harvard appointments who are training under him. “Teaching” is not just giving some introductory lectures to undergraduates. So please stop bul****ting.</p>
<p>Harvard FAS biologists include evolutionary biologists, population biologists who study ant behavior and like, paleontologists who study dinosaur bones, not just biochemists and molecular biologists. They would not all be applying for NIH grants. The MIT biology department is almost entirely biochemists and molecular biologists. You are being a moron by claiming that since FAS gets less NIH grants than MIT biology, it must be a worse department. Although MIT biology is obviously excellent, the fact is that it is completed dwarfed by Harvard University biology, which by definition includes the FAS, HMS quad, HSPH, HSDM, as well as Harvard teaching hospitals.</p>
<p>It’s curious that despite “Harvardfan” username, almost all of his posts are disparaging Harvard. I wonder if he is really an MIT ■■■■■.</p>
<p>“MIT does not have medical school or public health school or hospitals. It is not suitable to include Harvard Medical School or other professional school or hospitals into comparison.”</p>
<p>Well, if MIT doesn’t have a medical school, it is lacking in the resources that come with having a medical school. Your argument is like saying since Podunk University doesn’t have as much money as Harvard, it is not suitable to include things that require money (superstar professors, high quality infrastructure, etc) in college comparisons.</p>
<p>And if you use the term “Harvard University”, you are by definition including all the schools within Harvard.</p>
<p>ske293, I believe you are correct about “Harvardfan” being an MIT ■■■■■ because he just got on the Princeton forum and was spouting stuff about MIT and rejecting Princeton.</p>
<p>Here is one of the grant Lander receive from NIH: [CRISP</a> - Computer Retrieval of Information on Scientific Projects, Abstract Display](<a href=“http://crisp.cit.nih.gov/crisp/CRISP_LIB.getdoc?textkey=7546972&p_grant_num=5U54HG003067-06&p_query=&ticket=101024075&p_audit_session_id=482977292&p_keywords=]CRISP”>http://crisp.cit.nih.gov/crisp/CRISP_LIB.getdoc?textkey=7546972&p_grant_num=5U54HG003067-06&p_query=&ticket=101024075&p_audit_session_id=482977292&p_keywords=).
His primary employment is no doubt broad institute and MIT.</p>
<p>I have to reiterate that I only compare MIT with Harvard FAS. It is moronic to compare orange with apple.</p>
<p>For those thinking that I am denouncing other schools for MIT, please go to the MIT forum. I am just as critical of MIT as of Harvard, if not more.</p>
<p>The grant you mention has already expired. None of Lander’s current grants are administered by MIT but by the Broad Institute. The reason why Lander set up the Broad in the first place was because he felt he was big enough and could attract enough money from the deep pockets on his own that he could be his own boss and have his own empire. He wanted to be effectively independent of MIT while maintaining the affiliation. In other word, he basically told the MIT biology department to f*** off. He pays himself and is not really dependent on MIT for anything. It’s laughable that you are desperately trying to paint him as an exclusively MIT faculty when he simply isn’t.</p>
<p>“It is moronic to compare orange with apple.”</p>
<p>Yes, precisely. The Harvard FAS biology department spans ALL areas of biology, just as Harvard University values all areas of learning, not just narrow specialties. It has produced some of the greatest figures in American ornithology, paleontology, sociobiology, to molecular and cellular biology. The MIT biology department has always been almost exclusively about molecular biology. When was the last time they produced people like Stephen J. Gould, Ernst Mayr, Edward O. Wilson, and so forth? It is you who is trying to compare apples and oranges. Harvard’s expertise in biology is orders of magnitude broader and deeper than MIT’s, because it includes everything from studying insect behavior to development of novel therapies for human patients in hospitals.</p>
<p>As I described earlier in some detail, Harvard’s true greatness comes from the fact that it is first rate in virtually everything. It is a true Renaissance man of the universities. MIT is a socially inept nerd who’s really good in engineering and a few other narrow specialties but that’s about it.</p>
<p>“Teaching” is not just giving some introductory lectures to undergraduates. So please stop bul****ting. </p>
<p>First of all, if you are a Harvard student, your Harvard education has not made you a civilized man in the debate. I dont think that Harvard will be proud of your statement. Second, all the tenure-track or tenured faculties (but not the non-tenure or adjunct faculties) in Harvard or MIT are required for some course teaching responsibility. If Lander has teaching responsibility in MIT but not in Harvard, it is a clear indication that Landers primary appointment is in MIT. In fact, his communication e-mail address in his NIH grants is in the domain of broad.mit.edu. His appointment in Harvard certainly allows him take in students from Harvard. </p>
<p>In other word, he basically told the MIT biology department to f*** off. He pays himself and is not really dependent on MIT for anything.</p>
<p>He wants to avoid being taxed by MIT so he can take all the indirect cost money. This is up to him. But he is a tenured professor in MIT, and actively involves in both undergraduate and graduate education in MIT. On the other hand, he is not a tenured faculty in Harvard. </p>
<p>This thread has been quite entertaining. But I am a little disappointed at some of the comments being juvenile and idiotic. It is time for me to get off this thread.</p>
<p>Harvardfan has implicitly admitted that he is really an MIT person posing as a Harvard person and writing all these anti-Harvard comments. The fact that he is exploiting the Harvard name of course raises the possibility that he suffers from some kind of an inferiority complex (perhaps he got rejected from Harvard, as is the case with most MIT students) and/or wants to take revenge.</p>
<p>People shouldn’t pay any attention to what this guy says because clearly he often doesn’t know what he’s talking about, is lying or making up stuff, and he may also have dishonorable intentions when he makes disparaging comments about Harvard.</p>