<p>bunts1 said: "Dude its I was tryna prove a point that if need be Ivy schools offer scholarships… "</p>
<p>hahahahahahaha</p>
<p>yeah, we KNOW !!!</p>
<p>bunts1 said: "Dude its I was tryna prove a point that if need be Ivy schools offer scholarships… "</p>
<p>hahahahahahaha</p>
<p>yeah, we KNOW !!!</p>
<p>^^ I am seeing lots of ■■■■■■…</p>
<p>new posters + little history + silly posts/misinformation = ■■■■■</p>
<p>HUNT has it right. okay, so there is no athletic scholarship. But if you need and want a good football player, you find an applicant with excellent athletic skills and maybe not so excellent academic skills who also happens to need financial aid AND guess what? - You’ve just created an athletic scholarship. FinAid and Athletic departments communicate. The system is unfair and there is no transparency and nothing that can be done about it until the federal government threatens to withdraw all grants of any kind to universities that won’t make their academic and financial aid decisions transparent.</p>
<p>I thought it was against TOS to post specifically identifying info about other people?</p>
<p>It’s most likely, drdom, that nothing underhanded is needed. There’s a whole formula that sets out how much academic qualifications can be compromised for athletes, and lots of athletes would get need-based financial aid, anyway. Remember, there aren’t that many top-notch athletes who want to go to Ivies, anyway–the kids who want to go there are all very good students.</p>
<p>The Ivy financial aid algorithms are some of the most generous in the country. Solely based on their system, I can already tell that if I had gotten into Harvard, I would have gotten much higher financial aid than at any other school, because that’s HOW THEIR SYSTEM WORKS. If his parents wouldn’t have been able to afford it, then Harvard would have paid it, which makes it VERY unlikely that Harvard would have gone out of its way to give the kid a special scholarship, since he would have qualified for aid.</p>
<p>Most schools say “if you can’t afford it, we’ll pay it.” The difference is that Harvard, as well as some of the other Ivies, have actually does, because of its enormos endowment.</p>
<p>So, technically, Ivy League doesn’t offer athletic “scholarships”, but it just so happens that an outstanding athlete will have their entire tuition paid for by the school. And don’t bother arguing…a family friend just got a scholarship to Princeton to play hockey-her whole tuition is being covered by the school [and she doesn’t have significant financial need, she comes from a comfortable, above average income home.</p>
<p>Well, if the girl’s family is making $85-95,000 a year and has no unusual assets, then Princeton’s financial aid algorithm would mean that she’d have her tuition covered and would only owe room and board. But they do the same for any student, athlete or not, who has that financial profile. Princeton is extremely generous, and their system would have given us $7-10,000 more than at other schools, including other Ivies.</p>
<p>Oh no her parents income is in the 200 thousands and they have a little over 1 mill
in assets</p>
<p>Unless you have seen their tax returns and understand the financial aid process, you are wasting our time.</p>
<p>You’re belief that a financial aid analysis stops with the term “assets” shows ignorance. Schools calculate assets )and even then only cetain assets) and then subtract liabilities. That means that, while you could own a $1 million building (not your personal residence which is not included in calculations) [a $1 million asset], if that building is encumbered by a $1.5 million mortgage (actually not an unusual situation today), for financial aid calculations that family has 0 in calculated assets.</p>
<p>Unless you KNOW a person’s AGI, and the valuation of net assets, you are simply speculating and displaying your ignorance of the process.</p>
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<p>Either you don’t have full insight into the family’s financial situation, or you don’t have insight into the actual financial award. I can say with 100% certainty that your statement is false.</p>
<p>A 26 ACT and 4 year honor roll status are actually pretty impressive. A 26 ACT is the 84th percentile, so if someone thinks he’s dumb, than that someone thinks a lot of people are dumb. He might not be the typical Harvard person in terms of academics, but he’s still quite intelligent. Combined with an “amazing EC,” it is not surprising he was admitted. Really, what is the subset of All-American football players with ACT scores that high? It’s probably small.</p>
<p>Plus, Harvard gives full rides to everyone whose family makes less than 60k a year… the median income in America is just under 40k, so if he is like most Americans, he would be going there for free anyway.</p>
<p>Mmmm nope…I can say with
plenty of conviction tht her family is well off and her whole tuition is being covered by Princeton.</p>
<p>^^^This kid is in 8th grade!!! Let’s stop feeding the ■■■■■■…</p>
<p>Still howling at the moon…need based financial aid ONLY in Ivys. Repeat 10 times or until it is ingrained in your psche.</p>
<p>What is curious to me is the academic admittance. I understand he is a talented athlete in a revenue generating sport. Harvard has done well in football over the last decade with one of the highest winning percentages in D1 college football along with Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State and Florida. They have back to back Ivy championships in 2007 & 2008 and just missed another in 2009 finishing just behind Penn. 1300 SAT/26 ACT is by no means terrible, but I would think it would be on the precipice of 171 (AI minimum). However, I’d really like to see his AI calculation, and if there was any rounding up…</p>
<p>I would also note that the Ivy policies of no athletic scholarships, and the formula for determining whether an athlete can be admitted with less-than-average stats, are all self-imposed. If an Ivy interprets those policies generously, or even bends them, whose business is it, exactly?</p>
<p>What do you mean by “self-imposed”?</p>
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<p>I believe The Council of Ivy Group Presidents is responsible for ensuring compliance</p>
<p>That’s still self-imposed. It’s a voluntary agreement.</p>
<p>Hunt,</p>
<p>So your point is because it is a self imposed voluntary agreement that it is okay to cheat?</p>
<p>It would be the business of the other 7 Ivys. If they are not following the guidelines they agreed to (as well as other member institutions) that would be less than honorable or said a different way…that would be CHEATING. Their conference affiliation is like a business partnership, and their conference is only going to be as strong as the weakest link. If you had a business partner, and you found out they were stealing, how would you feel? Probably betrayed and ****ed.</p>
<p>The goal of the conference is to provide a level playing field and make money. So far they seem to be doing well on both counts. In my mind, this is the way college sports should work. Why bother playing within that conference if you are not going to follow the rules or guidelines you agreed to? </p>
<p>Oversight and compliance is checked quarterly by each school and a committee. There are checks and balances, as recently Princeton women’s tennis was recently caught in some recruiting violations. I’m sure there are other cases. My point is that if womens tennis was caught, do you think they are going to sneak by with football. I tend to think not.</p>