Harvard-Princeton-Yale-Stanford-MIT 2013 cross admits

curious77 · May 1, 2009, 9:02am

May I post for my son who does not participate on these boards (I am absolutely certain you will not get a duplicate report of his selection)?
If yes, please add:
Harvard also admitted to Stanford.

JHS · May 1, 2009, 9:09am

Another point of interest: Among this elite group of students, even Harvard doesn’t get a 50% yield (taking into account the students cross-admitted at HYPS who choose “none of the above”). Among people with a meaningful choice to make, it is far less dominant than many imagine.

wjb · May 1, 2009, 9:15am

^^ Interesting observation, JHS. Another observation: Some students with the choice of one or more of HYPSM choose none of the above. In the past few days, one CC poster reported choosing a scholarship at U Michigan over several of HYPS, and another chose Brandeis over Harvard. Several kids have been weighing scholarships at Duke over HYPS schools. I think it would be interesting to add these students to the list.

JHS · May 1, 2009, 9:57am

Yes, but the OP’s motivation for this thread was HYPSM horseracing, not providing that kind of subversive information.

Nevertheless, I have said in the past, and this thread tends to support it, that I believe the vast majority of people who turn down one of HYPS tend to do it to attend another of HYPS. If we generalized on the basis of this thread (which of course we can’t), and assume that 1/3 of Harvard admittees are also admitted to at least one other of YPSM (that seems low to me), that group would account for over 90% of the people who turn Harvard down, and only maybe 20% of it would be choosing something other than YPSM.

gadad · May 1, 2009, 9:58am

^^^ “Among this elite group of students, even Harvard doesn’t get a 50% yield”

Nit-picky statistics wonk, here - Since this isn’t a one to one comparison - the average number of schools weighed against the one selected is 1.37 - a “breakeven” yield should be something like 42%. So it seems that MIT hits right at the predicted breakeven in “wins” and “losses” in this sample, and HYP exceed it - all at Stanford’s expense. That surprises me a little, given that those who are inclined to stay in the east for college have four potential choices, and those who want to stay in the west have only the one.

stringkeymom · May 1, 2009, 11:33am

1) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
2) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
3) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
4) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
5) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
6) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
7) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, MIT
8) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: HYSM
9) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
10) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
11) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO:Harvard,Princeton
12) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
13) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
14) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
15) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
16) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
17) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
18) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Princeton
19) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard, Princeton
20) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Princeton, Stanford
21) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
22) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
23) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
24) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT, Stanford
25) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton,Stanford, MIT
26) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
27) Harvard-ALSO ADMITTED TO : MIT
28) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, MIT
29) Princeton-ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
30) Harvard–ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
31) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Stanford, MIT
32) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
33) MIT ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
34) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
35) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
36) Yale- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
37) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
38) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
39) MIT- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
40) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
41) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard, Stanford
42) MIT-ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
43) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
44) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton

Cross-Admit Yield

H: 10/20
Y: 12/24
P: 11/25
S:4/14
M: 7/17

Hanna · May 1, 2009, 11:41am

“that group would account for over 90% of the people who turn Harvard down, and only maybe 20% of it would be choosing something other than YPSM.”

Last I heard, about 50% of those who get into Harvard and go elsewhere take a full ride (in other words, not YPSM). It was as high as 75% when I gave my first tours in 1998.

basketballbabe13 · May 1, 2009, 12:11pm

stringkeymom, that should be 11/26 for Princeton

and curious77, thank you for asking! of course I will add him.

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2)Only post on behalf of YOURSELF, and only for the class of 2013!
3)Do not include Waitlists

1) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
2) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
3) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
4) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
5) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
6) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
7) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, MIT
8) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: HYSM
9) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
10) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
11) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO:Harvard,Princeton
12) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
13) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
14) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
15) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
16) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
17) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
18) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Princeton
19) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard, Princeton
20) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Princeton, Stanford
21) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
22) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
23) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
24) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT, Stanford
25) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton,Stanford, MIT
26) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
27) Harvard-ALSO ADMITTED TO : MIT
28) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, MIT
29) Princeton-ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
30) Harvard–ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
31) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Stanford, MIT
32) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
33) MIT – ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
34) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
35) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
36) Yale- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
37) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
38) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
39) MIT- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
40) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
41) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard, Stanford
42) MIT-ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
43) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
44) Harvard- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford

Cross-Admit Yield

H: 11/21
Y: 11/24
P: 11/26
S:4/15
M: 7/17

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DunninLA · May 1, 2009, 1:01pm

From the data above in post #108, we can also pull out all the head-head scores. The problem with the above summation is that it counts a victory over a single opponent equally with a victory of multiple opponents.

Head-Heat matchup scores:

P-H: 3-2. (In head-head matchups, Princeton wins 3-2.)
P-Y: 5-6
P-M: 5-4
P-S: 5-2

H-Y: 6-5
H-M: 3-2
H-S: 3-0

Y-M: 1-1
Y-S: 3-2

S-M: 2-0

From this, we can total the margins of victory across all opponents:

P: +4
H: +4
Y: +1
M: -4
S: -5

My school is sucking in this competition Anyone else surprised Princeton is equally preferred to Harvard so far?

Descartesz · May 1, 2009, 1:30pm

stringkeymom’s addition was left off of bbb13’s re-post. Yale data, too, was also not updated correctly by stringkeymom. As far as I can tell the corrected list should be:

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Please copy so as to include the delineators (“-------”) at
the beginning and end of the list.

RULES
1)please only post about HYPSM for previously stated reasons.
2)Only post on behalf of YOURSELF, and only for the class of 2013!
3)Do not include Waitlists

1) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
2) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
3) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
4) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
5) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
6) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
7) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, MIT
8) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: HYSM
9) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
10) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
11) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO:Harvard,Princeton
12) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
13) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
14) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
15) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
16) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
17) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
18) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Princeton
19) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard, Princeton
20) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Princeton, Stanford
21) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
22) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
23) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
24) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT, Stanford
25) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton,Stanford, MIT
26) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
27) Harvard-ALSO ADMITTED TO : MIT
28) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, MIT
29) Princeton-ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
30) Harvard–ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
31) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Stanford, MIT
32) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
33) MIT – ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
34) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
35) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
36) Yale- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
37) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
38) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
39) MIT- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
40) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
41) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard, Stanford
42) MIT-ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
43) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
44) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
45) Harvard- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford

Cross-Admit Yield

H: 11/21
Y: 12/25
P: 11/26
S: 4/15

Correcting the head-to-head analysis:

Head-Heat matchup scores:

P-H: 3-2. (In head-head matchups, Princeton wins 3-2.)
P-Y: 5-7
P-M: 5-4
P-S: 5-2

H-Y: 6-5
H-M: 3-2
H-S: 3-0

Y-M: 1-1
Y-S: 3-2

S-M: 2-0

From this, we can total the margins of victory across all opponents:

H: +4
P: +3
Y: +2
M: -4
S: -5

I would conjecture Stanford fairs relatively poorly because of the demographics of CC posters are weighted towards the east coast.

JHS · May 1, 2009, 1:53pm

What’s the point of the “margin of victory”? As far as I can tell, all that is doing is measuring how many people who chose College A were admitted to more than one of Colleges B-E. Each “loss” only counts once, and each “win” can count up to four times, depending on how many other choices were on the table.

harvardfan · May 1, 2009, 1:54pm

Actually, Stanford performs worse. M has a 5-4 edge over Princeton, and 0-1 disadvantage to Stanford.

Correcting the head-to-head analysis:

Head-Heat matchup scores:

P-H: 3-2. (In head-head matchups, Princeton wins 3-2.)
P-S: 5-2

H-Y: 6-5
H-M: 3-2
H-S: 3-0

Y-M: 1-1
Y-S: 3-2
Y-P: 7-5

S-M: 1-0

M-P: 5:4

From this, we can total the margins of victory across all opponents:

H: +4
Y: +2
P: +0
M: -1
S: -6

harvardfan · May 1, 2009, 2:44pm

These are the corrected cross-admit rates.

H: 11/21

Y: 12/26

P: 11/27

S: 4/15

M: 7/17

DunninLA · May 1, 2009, 2:52pm

harvardfan:

I recounted… P>M 5x, M>P 5x Thus, new corrected (not that it matters… it will be fun though to see if the data can grow to >100 respondents, and see patterns then):

P-H: 3-2. (In head-head matchups, Princeton wins 3-2.)
P-S: 5-2

H-Y: 6-5
H-M: 3-2
H-S: 3-0

Y-M: 1-1
Y-S: 3-2
Y-P: 7-5

S-M: 1-0

M-P: 5:5

From this, we can total the margins of victory across all opponents:

H: +4
Y: +2
P: +2
M: -2
S: -6

DunninLA · May 1, 2009, 2:59pm

PS – the reason I think these data are important is that the theoretical gaming paper noted here: <a href=“http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=601105#PaperDownload[/url]”>http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=601105#PaperDownload</a>

has the Xadmit preferences as follows:

<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
</ol>

That just didn’t look right to me… but I’ve never seen any real world, real decision data. I assume adcoms have this data, but doubt they publish it… In particular, Princeton looked suspiciously out of order.

harvardfan · May 1, 2009, 3:46pm

The most surprising thing of these data is so few cross-admit between Stanford and MIT in light of their excellent engineer schools. In general, Stanford seems to have the least cross-admits in this pool. One would wonder whether Stanford deliberately steers away from potential HYPM (MIT in particular) admits to obtain higher yield.

basketballbabe13 · May 1, 2009, 4:04pm

okay here is the correct repost with the updated figures. The head-to-head stats look great but it may be too much info for ppl to update each time they post. So how about someone can post it SEPERATELY from the list as the list grows…

{{{{{{{

Please copy from BEFORE the {{{{{{{ to after the }}}}}}} at the end.

RULES
1)please only post about HYPSM for previously stated reasons.
2)Only post on behalf of YOURSELF, and only for the class of 2013!
3)Do not include Waitlists

1) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
2) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
3) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
4) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
5) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
6) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
7) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, MIT
8) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: HYSM
9) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
10) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
11) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO:Harvard,Princeton
12) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
13) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
14) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
15) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
16) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
17) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
18) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Princeton
19) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard, Princeton
20) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Princeton, Stanford
21) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
22) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
23) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
24) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT, Stanford
25) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton,Stanford, MIT
26) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
27) Harvard-ALSO ADMITTED TO : MIT
28) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, MIT
29) Princeton-ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
30) Harvard–ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
31) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Stanford, MIT
32) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
33) MIT – ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
34) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
35) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
36) Yale- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
37) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
38) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
39) MIT- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
40) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
41) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard, Stanford
42) MIT-ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
43) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
44) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
45) Harvard- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford

Cross-Admit Yield

H: 11/21

Y: 12/26

P: 11/27

S: 4/15

M: 7/17

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Sam_Lee · May 1, 2009, 4:12pm

A few years ago, Yale’s own article said that they got a 50/50 split with Stanford. The sample out of you guys may not be not representative.

Maybe all of you should list your hometown??

basketballbabe13 · May 1, 2009, 4:23pm

^I think its a bit late for that, and it would add too many factors. We don’t want to make it too complicated. Also, many people have confidentiality issues.

From my experiences on CC, there are also many west coast students…

But you can’t expect this sample to be very un-biased. The students on CC are found to be more ambitious and maybe more aware of certain factors.

My whole point of making this was to see how the CC kids were making their decisions… whether they are from the east or west coast… international or american.

km45 · May 1, 2009, 4:24pm

1) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
2) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
3) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
4) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
5) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
6) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
7) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, MIT
8) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: HYSM
9) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
10) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
11) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO:Harvard,Princeton
12) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
13) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
14) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
15) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
16) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
17) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
18) MIT - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Princeton
19) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard, Princeton
20) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Princeton, Stanford
21) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
22) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
23) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
24) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT, Stanford
25) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton,Stanford, MIT
26) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
27) Harvard-ALSO ADMITTED TO : MIT
28) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, MIT
29) Princeton-ALSO ADMITTED TO: MIT
30) Harvard–ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
31) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale, Stanford, MIT
32) Stanford - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
33) MIT ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
34) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
35) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
36) Yale- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
37) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
38) Harvard - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
39) MIT- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard
40) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
41) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard, Stanford
42) MIT-ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
43) Princeton - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Yale
44) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Princeton
45) Harvard- ALSO ADMITTED TO: Stanford
46) Yale - ALSO ADMITTED TO: Harvard

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