<p>^^I don’t know how much Tufts actually does this. They just long ago developed a reputation for it to the point that the practice got named after them. For all I know Tufts hasn’t actually done this for years, or maybe they still do it a lot. I don’t know.</p>
<p>Just updating… Hopefully nobody throws nobody out, as I can see we are discussing baseball now… Just kidding.</p>
<p>Also, I am adding what eating food gave to me. I may have to trust the Yale freshman.
S->YPM
H->Y
H->YP
Y->HPS</p>
<ol>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to MIT, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard- also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton , Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to MIT, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, and Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT.</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard and Princeton.</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard.</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to MIT and Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Princeton</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale and Princeton.</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton-- also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Harvard & Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford-- also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard and Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton and Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard and Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanofrd and MIT</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale and Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Yale, Princeton and MIT</li>
<li>Harvard -also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale and Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton and Stanford</li>
</ol>
<p>H: 17/40
Y: 21/40
P: 14/46
S: 11/33
M: 7/21</p>
<p>Friend chose Yale.</p>
<p>Also admitted to Princeton and Stanford.</p>
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<p>I can see Harvard having a much higher yield than Yale relative to most other non-HYPSM schools. I think it is psychologically easier for a student to choose #8 over #2 than it is to choose #8 over #1. There is just something about being at #1.</p>
<p>OTOH, it is pretty easy to justify choosing #2 over #1. Especially if #2 keeps claiming that it is more fun than #1. </p>
<p>Does that make any sense?</p>
<p>About the Tufts syndrome, yes, I do suspect that there is some ‘Tufts syndrome’ going on. Especially among YPS. Not sure about H or M. Or Tufts.</p>
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<p>But as you said yourself: There is just something about being at #1.</p>
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<p>Well, I suppose anything is possible, but it is hard to imagine schools as lofty as Yale and Princeton lacking the institutional self confidence to compete straight up with Harvard (and each other) for the very best kids.</p>
<p>^^I sure hope that the vast majority of students talented enough to gain acceptance to both H and Y will base their decision on which to attend on factors other than which is #1 and which is #2. </p>
<p>Those that don’t, Harvard is welcome to. ;)</p>
<p>vp: I think your reasoning (post 204) makes sense.</p>
<p>The schools that Yale does significantly worse against are most likely LACs. Yale seems to have a similar feel to that of a small LAC, whereas the people who are really attracted to the LACs may not be as infatuated with Harvard as the rest of the population.</p>
<p>Another reason Yale may pull more vs. Harvard and Princeton is that a student interested in HYP will apply to Yale EA, and Harvard and Princeton RD. That gives Yale a four-month head start in recruiting any SCEA students, an advantage HP have with no students.</p>
<p>The idea that YPS practices Tufts syndrome is ludicrous, by the way. Tufts syndrome is the practice of a safety school recognizing they’ll never beat out a school better than it for a student. Yale regularly gets Harvard admits to matriculate, as we can see here (even if the figures aren’t accurate, we could probably say these numbers show us that Yale pulls quite a few kids from Harvard at the least).</p>
<p>My guess on how they avoid the cross-admits is they focus on different elements of the App. My take on it has been that while any type of student may appeal to all four HYPS, each puts an emphasis on something different. I think Harvard loves to see students that are particularly talented in a specific field, and are willing to gamble on students that may not have diverse interests but have very focused and impressive strengths. Yale loves well-rounded kids who aren’t necessarily excellent in any category but more complete in their interests. A lot of people I talked to think the Stanford acceptances were “totally random,” which makes me think they put a lot more emphasis on their mini supplement essays. Princeton likes rich donors’ sons.</p>
<p>Just kidding. I actually think Princeton is very stats based. More-so than the other two. They actually put their stats by-the-numbers on their site, so you can see.</p>
<p>These are all one man’s opinions, but that’s sort of how I’ve noticed the admittances shake out this year among admitted students I’ve met and a few profiles that are written on here. That’s not to say that Harvard wouldn’t like a well-rounded student or Princeton wouldn’t like a well-written essay, but these are the categories I’ve perceived they lean in favor of. Its just my opinion, of course, and other people might have a different perspective. But there has to be some explanation for the lack of cross-admits, and I would say Tufts Syndrome is ridiculous.</p>
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<p>First of all, Tufts is not a safety school, and I’m not sure whether Tufts practices this at all.</p>
<p>Second, at the rarefied level of HYPS, these schools are choosing from among a surplus of very highly qualified applicants. The HYPS version of Tufts syndrome is to choose those applicants who are most likely to matriculate at their respective schools, and to avoid those applicants who look like they will favor a rival school. In other words
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<p>For example, an avid biker from California who is interested in Engineering may be rejected at Yale and a musician from New Jersey who wants to major in English may have a hard time getting into Stanford.</p>
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<p>This makes no sense to me. If Yale has an LAC-like environment then it should have a better yield than Harvard w.r.t LACs.</p>
<p>HYPSM –> going to Harvard. </p>
<ol>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to MIT, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard- also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton , Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to MIT, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, and Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT.</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard and Princeton.</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard.</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to MIT and Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Princeton</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale and Princeton.</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton-- also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Harvard & Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford-- also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard and Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton and Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard and Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanofrd and MIT</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale and Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Yale, Princeton and MIT</li>
<li>Harvard -also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale and Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton and Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT</li>
</ol>
<p>H: 18/41
Y: 21/41
P: 14/47
S: 11/34
M: 7/22</p>
<p>vica, by golly, that does seem to make sense</p>
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<p>I obtain these values for the financial aid available per each student attending:</p>
<p>H: $1.58E8 / 6,655* = $23,742
Y: $1.10E8 / 5,275* = $20,853**
P: $1.13E8 / 5,113* = $22,100 ([Princeton</a> - 2010-11 Financial Aid Budget](<a href=“Trustees approve low fee increase, boost financial aid despite budget challenges”>Trustees approve low fee increase, boost financial aid despite budget challenges))</p>
<p>Aside from that, I feel that USNWR’s methodology of basing rankings on “percent receiving need-based grants” and “average discount from total cost” provides for a fair assessment, for all intents and purposes.</p>
<p><em>College Board Figures
*</em>Estimated assuming a 10% financial aid budget increase over 2009’s $100M allocation</p>
<p>Msauce, why don’t yout tell this to the kids that were 4.3 GPA’s and 2350 SAT, yet were declined from or put on the waiting list at Princeton…</p>
<p>to even suggest that Princeton fails to concentrate on the essays and only looks at the stats is a total insult to what Princeton University is all about.</p>
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<p>Did you even read what I wrote, or did you quit after stats-based?</p>
<p>Its been my perception that Princeton gives more weight to the stats than the other HYPS schools. When I mentioned this on the Princeton admission thread, multiple people shared my sentiment. That doesn’t make it true, but I don’t think I’m crazy for thinking so.</p>
<p>EWHO, why do you think eatingfood is more reliable than godwithme? Any reason not counting godwithme information?</p>
<p>I believe I posted something similar last year…</p>
<p>We can take these data to pull out 1-1 cross admit decisions to see who wins, net.</p>
<p>For:
H/Y, H wins 12-11
H/P, H wins 12-3
H/S, H wins 6-5
H/M, H wins 4-3</p>
<p>For:
Y/P, Y wins 12-2
Y/S, Y wins 7-4</p>
<p>For:
P/S, P wins 8-6
P/M, P wins 7-3</p>
<p>For:
S/M, S wins 3-2</p>
<p>MIT wins no net cross admits battles</p>
<p>Not sure what this means, especially considering back on the first page someone cites a recruitment on the Princeton page to come post decisions here… sny semblance of CC randomness died.</p>
<p>It would be fun to see the cross admit decisions between MIT and Caltech.</p>
<p>Oops, forgot:
For Yale:
Y/M: 1-0</p>
<p>Now, taking the aggregate margin of victory vs. the other four, we have:</p>
<p>Yale, m.o.v. +13
Harvard, m.o.v. +12
Stanford & MIT m.o.v. -5
Princeton, m.o.v. -13</p>
<p>Coureur, answering your question from page 13 about whom does Yale trounce in cross-admits, in <em>this</em> sample, Yale trounces Princeton.</p>
<p>I’d say that the probability of you getting into 2+ of HYPSM schools is much much greater than the probability that you get into just 1, given that you applied to multiple.</p>
<p>The person who got into Harvard is very likely to have gotten into a couple of YPSM, than the person who didn’t get into Harvard. These schools are looking at the same types of people. It’s not like you can just “luck out” and get into Yale or something without getting in anywhere else. Admissions doesn’t work that way.</p>
<p>It’s all or nothing. So, there should be a large number of cross admits.</p>
<p>DunninLA: Coureur was asking the opposite question. It was proposed that Yale beats Harvard in the cross-admit battle by a significant margin. Coureur explained that would be only possible if Yale is being trounced by some other college(s), since Yale has a much lower overall yield.</p>
<p>I personally have no idea (and don’t care) which way the H-Y cross-admit battle ends up.</p>