<p>don’t schools release official yield rates? I actually don’t get the point of doing this knowing that we won’t be able to
</p>
<p>
The sample size is not small given the cross-admit yields in the 30s. It is that the samples are biased, to certain degree.</p>
<p>The yield tells you who come to you, but does not tell you where the rest go. It does not matter to most schools, but to Harvard, it may mean a lot.</p>
<p>^Dude you better make another post soon</p>
<p>Although HYPS claims to meet 100% of demonstrated financial need, each university dedicates a different sum to undergraduate financial aid, which is a far better measure than basic funding or endowment dollars per student attending. Harvard, for instance, presented a $158M (Class of 2014) budget in financial assistance to this year’s admitted undergraduates (an increase of 9% from the year before). By comparison, Stanford allotted $112M (2014), Princeton $104M (2013), and Yale $100M (2013). </p>
<p>According to both the College Board and institutionally published profiles, the reported average financial package is indeed most generous at Harvard, in magnitude and in valid proportion to annual costs:</p>
<p>[ul][<em>]Harvard: $41,295 (College Board)</em>
[<em>]Yale: $34,365 ([Yale</a> College Financial Aid and Applications](<a href=“http://opa.yale.edu/news/article.aspx?id=7063]Yale”>http://opa.yale.edu/news/article.aspx?id=7063))
[</em>]Princeton: $37,680 ([Undergraduate</a> Costs & Aid - A Princeton Profile](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/profile/admission/undergraduate-costs/]Undergraduate”>http://www.princeton.edu/profile/admission/undergraduate-costs/))
[<em>]Stanford: $40,204 (College Board)</em>
[<em>]MIT: $35,919 (College Board)</em>[/ul]</p>
<p>*College Board data is indeed dated (I’d assume class of 2012) to a greater extent than the figures obtained for Yale and Princeton (one should assume a slight increase).</p>
<p>And by “spectacular fortitude,” I was simply implying that Harvard is pervasively acknowledged as the world’s most desirable university, which explains its consistent position atop the yield charts. It’s trend-setting financial aid initiatives to lower- and middle-class families (i.e. 10%-income contribution) help to preserve that.</p>
<p>In terms of actual cross-admit rates (including every cross-admitted individual into this study), the actual percentages should follow the order of the acronym.</p>
<p>[Stanford</a> maintains aid, raises undergraduate tuition 3.5%](<a href=“You’ve requested a page that no longer exists | Stanford News”>You’ve requested a page that no longer exists | Stanford News)</p>
<p>[Harvard</a> increases undergraduate financial aid by 9 percent for 2010-11 | Harvard Gazette Online](<a href=“http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/03/harvard-increases-undergraduate-financial-aid-by-9-percent-for-2010-11/]Harvard”>Harvard increases undergraduate financial aid by 9 percent for 2010-11 – Harvard Gazette)</p>
<ol>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to MIT, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard- also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton , Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to MIT, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, and Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT.</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard and Princeton.</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard.</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to MIT and Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Princeton</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale and Princeton.</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton-- also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Harvard & Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford-- also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Yale</li>
</ol>
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</p>
<p>I do not understand the reference to the kid in the toy store. I do not enjoy this “survey” and I meant that it offered some comical relief because of it is ridiculous to attempt to draw conclusions from such a collection of information. </p>
<p>Also, while HYPSM does not “know” with total precision the information of cross-admirts, the admission deans at HYPSM surely have a LOT more data to arrive at an education guess that this asinine survey might ever gather. Fwiw, many of the statements you made in this thread indicate a dramatic igorance of the admission data collected by the schools. </p>
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</p>
<p>Totally incorrect. The anecdotal evidence presented here does not amount to a … sample, and it it were it would an extremely biased sample. </p>
<p>However, none of this matter too much, as it is blatlantly obvious that the numbers presented in this thread have little (if any) correlation to the actual matriculation of accepted students at HYPSM.</p>
<p>I try not to get into stats on this, but if the numbers you are testing are around 30s in our case, the sample size should be meaningful. There should be about 1500-2000 cross-admits - which means that it is about 3% reported here, so far. The complete HYPSM cross-admits should be less than 200.</p>
<p>Once again, I can not prove but explain this number if I match all the evidences, and if I have time, and I don’t have anyone to knock me out. 
Sorry for my way to reply you earlier, but you were not nice either.</p>
<p>Yale is winning</p>
<p>mifune, you do understand that you cannot make that conclusion from the average data that you provided, right?</p>
<p>It does not take into account the difference in average income levels of parents that apply to each instittution.</p>
<p>If you don’t understand this then you can figure it out by using an extreme example:</p>
<p>School A: average student family income of those receiving financial aid is $150,000
School B: average student family income is of those receiving financial aid is $10,000</p>
<p>in this case, School B would give the higher “average financial aid”, but only because the average student need is higher.</p>
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<ol>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to MIT, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard- also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton , Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to MIT, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, and Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT.</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard and Princeton.</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard.</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to MIT and Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Princeton</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale and Princeton.</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton-- also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Harvard & Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford-- also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Princeton</li>
</ol>
<p>We lost the cross-admit yields, let me put them back in.</p>
<ol>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to MIT, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard- also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton , Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to MIT, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, and Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT.</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard and Princeton.</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard.</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to MIT and Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Princeton</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale and Princeton.</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton-- also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Harvard & Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford-- also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Princeton </li>
</ol>
<p>H: 10/29
Y: 19/32
P: 12/36
S: 9/26
M: 5/16</p>
<p>JohnAdams, that is an interesting way of looking at it.</p>
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</p>
<p>If so, then do you imply that Harvard and Stanford are more open to low/middle income students than the other schools listed? Or perhaps, statistically speaking, the other schools are more likely to admit students who come from families of higher income? (I would like to know what you think, that’s all.) I doubt the demographics of the applicants are any different.</p>
<p>updated 1-1 battles:</p>
<p>Harvard (7/10) v. Princeton (3/10)- H wins
Harvard (6/15) v. Yale (9/15)- Y wins
Harvard (3/8) v. Stanford (5/8)- S wins
Harvard (3/5) v. MIT (2/5)- H wins
Princeton (3/14) v. Yale (11/14)- Y wins
Princeton (7/11) v. Stanford (4/11)- P wins
Princeton (5/7) v. MIT (2/7)- P wins
Yale (6/9) v. Stanford (3/9)- Y wins
Yale (1/3) v. MIT (2/3)- M wins
Stanford (2/3) v. MIT (1/3)- S wins</p>
<p>Harvard: 19/38 (50%)
Princeton: 18/42 (43%)
Yale: 27/41 (66%)
Stanford: 14/31 (45%)
MIT: 7/18 (39%)</p>
<p>Here, Yale > Harvard > Stanford > Princeton > MIT, even though, individually, Stanford wins over Harvard, Princeton wins over Stanford, and MIT wins over Yale.</p>
<p>He’s not on CC, but my nephew (a senior) was admitted to both Princeton and MIT, and chose Princeton. (denied Harvard, did not apply to either Yale or Stanford)</p>
<p>Thanks, Pizzagirl. And I apologize to what I said to you before. </p>
<ol>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to MIT, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard- also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton , Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to MIT, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, and Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT.</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard and Princeton.</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard.</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to MIT and Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Princeton</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale and Princeton.</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton-- also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Harvard & Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford-- also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
</ol>
<p>H: 10/29
Y: 19/32
P: 13/37
S: 9/26
M: 5/17</p>
<p>@xrCalico</p>
<p>There is too little data to draw conclusions from the numbers here. Maybe you could link to the College Board? I was immediately skeptical that Stanford offered better aid in general than Yale or Princeton. Let’s take a look: Stanford vs. Yale. Stanford’s aid is much better, right? The average student on aid is receiving 6K more per year.</p>
<p>But we also know that HYP are need-blind for international students–and Stanford is need-aware. So if you’re an international student, the aid at Stanford is significantly worse than at the other schools, as Stanford may shut you out if you can’t pay (as need-aware implies as a possibility).</p>
<p>We don’t have the numbers–but let’s assume the international students at Yale are in the middle class. Wealthy enough to send their kids overseas, but making in the range of where aid can be rewarded. What if the average international aid offered by Yale is 20K? In that case, the aid offered by Yale would be worlds better than Stanford–20K better in a case-by-case basis–yet Yale’s average number would be pulled down, as they are at 34K/per and are being compared to Stanford’s 40K/per.</p>
<p>Looking at Princeton, 60% of their students are on some form of aid. If Princeton gives out more 5-10K aid packages than the other schools to kids the other schools may not give aid to, by the “Average Aid Package” grading system we’ve used here, they’re going to be punished.</p>
<p>In fact, you may want your school to have lower average aid than the others. If all four are saying “Under 60K, you go free” and “60-120K, you pay 1/10 your salary” or using similar benchmarks, then they’re all going to be equal in the categories of the biggest prizes–with the exception of maybe, by chance, one school having 10 more under 60Ks than another school. Where they’ll be different is in the smaller prizes, and if one school is more generous handing those out, they’ll have lower average.</p>
<p>The basic point is that the averages tell you very little–and you could even make the case that the medians tell you even less. You need in depth statistics to see whose is best, and I’d say they’re close enough that its not a major factor. Despite their policies, they usually match each other’s offers.</p>
<p>My S’s decision.</p>
<ol>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to MIT, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard- also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton , Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Princeton- also admitted to MIT, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, and Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale, Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Princeton and Yale</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT.</li>
<li>Yale- also admitted to Harvard and Princeton.</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard.</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Stanford</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to MIT and Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale, Princeton, Stanford</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Yale - also admitted to Harvard and Princeton</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to Yale and Princeton.</li>
<li>Harvard - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford – also admitted to Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton-- also admitted to Stanford</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Harvard & Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford-- also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Harvard – also admitted to Yale</li>
<li>Yale – also admitted to Princeton</li>
<li>Princeton - also admitted to MIT</li>
<li>MIT - also admitted to Harvard & Princeton</li>
</ol>
<p>Chose Harvard over Princeton.</p>
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<p>We get it. This is an imperfect and unscientific survey. Why so much bile?</p>
<p>brother chose harvard over princeton, yale, and stanford</p>