Has Anyone Here Done Audio/Video Production?

<p>I need to make a DVD of my daughter singing for the NFAA youngArts program. I thought about hiring a pro to record it but decided I'd rather do it myself. I got a very nifty little Canon camcorder that records to a high-capacity SD card and has a mic port. A buddy has a small stereo mixer, three mics and a three-headed mic stand that I borrowed. I think I'm okay on equipment.</p>

<p>I booked a two-hour session in a small church with good acoustics near us, so the venue's taken care of and we're using a very good pianist we've both worked with as an accompanist.</p>

<p>Now all I need is some advise on production.</p>

<p>My plan is to put two mics on the mic stand right in front of the singer and feed them into the left and right channels. I want to keep the piano fairly separated from her, put the third mic on it and feed it into the center. I figure I can keep it controlled that way so it doesn't overwhelm her.</p>

<p>I'm bringing a TV along so I can see how it all looks on something better than the tiny screen on the camcorder. I even made "Quiet Please - Recording In Session" signs to put on the doors to the church.</p>

<p>Can anybody think of anything I missed or offer any advice?</p>

<p>I think you sound like you have a good handle on this. I know from reading a lot of scholarship and audition websites and from talking to other parents that the quality of the audition recording does not have to be spectacular. I think the videos they have posted on the NFAA website look like they were done with a basic camcorder and no mixing at all--in a classroom or a living room.</p>

<p>One key is the distance of the mics from the singer. When my daughter was recorded, her voice teacher had a last minute conflict and couldn't be there and she said later that the mic was much too close to her. The result was that the recording didn't get the richness and color of her voice. You may have to play with it some but, if you have good acoustics, you will lose it by putting the mic too close.</p>

<p>Look for some past threads by BassDad and Imperial Zeppelin. Both have commented and provided thoughts numerous times previously.</p>

<p>There are essentially two ways to go about this. You could put one or more mics relatively close to the singer and one or more relatively close to the piano, or you could use a technique like ORTF that places the microphones in a very specific relationship to one another some distance from both. The first will give you more control over balance, but less of the ambiance of the hall. The second will do the opposite and is likely to capture a more accurate representation of what you would hear were you sitting about where the mics were placed. (Note that that may be good or bad, depending on the quality of the piano and singer.)</p>

<p>You would need very different microphones in those two cases. Unless you buddy has more than three microphones to choose from, the decision may be made for you by what mics are available.</p>

<p>Another technique that is sometimes used is to set up a stereo pair to capture the ambience and then close mic both the voice and piano with additional microphones. This would take at least four and maybe five or six mics to do right. It also works best if you can record all of the tracks and experiment with different combinations in mixdown. Trying to mix this down to stereo live is not a job for a novice.</p>

<p>I think your best bet would be first to find out what type of microphones you have available and do some research to find out whether they are best used in close micing situations or at a larger distance and, if they are different, which ones would work best for the piano and which for the voice.</p>

<p>Also when working outside of a soundproofed studio, you need to be prepared for ambient noise, like the buiding HVAC system, traffic outside, airplanes, the bingo game or AA meeting in the church hall downstairs. I once had a four hour session booked in a church and the first two were useless for more than setting up gear because there was a daycare center with dozens of screaming kids playing in the church yard just outside the window.</p>

<p>Good luck and if you have more questions post them here and I will try to help.</p>

<p>One thing I find particularly helpful is to have another person on site whose job is simply to listen for anything that might have gone wrong during a take. It is very easy to get so caught up in the technical details of running the equipment that you do not have a lot of attention left over to realize that there was a minor flub made by the musicians, or that a car door slammed outside in a quiet passage. You can pick up these kind of things by listening to the recording as you go along, but with only a two hour session, you do not want to spend a lot of time reviewing prior takes when you could be doing additional takes. Having the extra set of ears around will let you know when there is definitely a problem in your current take without having to spend time listening to material already recorded while the clock is running.</p>

<p>Another piece of advice: bring a tape measure and record the EXACT positions of the microphones, singer and piano. If you decide to come back for a second session, this information will be invaluable in reducing setup time and being able to match the sound from the first session.</p>

<p>Thanks for the help. Your input was really useful. </p>

<p>The session went better than I could have imagined. I uploaded the footage onto my computer the next morning and the sound was very clean. I'm extremely pleased with the result to the point the my D and I decided we can just pull these audio tracks to use for her prescreen CDs. Thanks again, everyone.</p>

<p>OK Bassdad,
I'm interested in yours (or anyone's) advice for placing mics to record a french horn player. I understand that we will need to experiment, but do we start 2 ft, 4 ft away or on the other side of Pennsylvania. Just a hint would help out a lot!</p>

<p>How is the placement of the mic affected by an accompanist?</p>

<p>Good news! We are using the Zoom H2 as the external mic for the camcorder. At the same time it is taking care of audio for the camcorder, it is also recoding on its own SD card. Audio that can be used for college CDs. 2 for the price of 1. It's great when something actually goes your way!</p>

<p>I have found that recording horn works best in a live hall (church works well), fairly close to the player (4 feet or so), but NOT on the bell side of the horn.</p>

<p>Built-in Zoom microphone probably isn't suitable for your needs. You'll need an external mic(s) for best results.</p>

<p>Placement of mics is trial and error since it's a function of instrument and recording room.</p>

<p>I apologize for leaving confusion in my statement about Zoom. It is the audio recorder called the Zoom H2 (discussed last year or maybe 2 years ago on CC) that I was referring too. In addition to being a stand alone audio recorder of surprisingly clear sound, it also doubles as an external mic to be attached to my Canon camcorder. What I was trying to say is that while serving in the capacity as the external mic, it can continue to function as an audio recorder, writing simultaneously to the SD card.</p>

<p>thanks operahorn,
good info and very helpful</p>

<p>gotta love this forum.</p>

<p>I have not personally had a chance to use the H2 other than a brief demonstration and I do not have much experience recording brass. Vocal groups, woodwinds, strings, percussion - yes, but not much brass. I can give you some general advice, however.</p>

<p>A lot depends on the microphone you have, the space you are in and the sound you want to get. You are looking for a good mix between the direct sound from the instrument and the reflected sound from the room. Too close to the instrument and you will get a dry sound with not much of the character of the room. Sometimes that is exactly what you want if you plan on doing some processing later on. Too far from the instrument and you get a hollow sounding track that is only useful as a special effect. If you do not have time to do some experimentation, it is usually better to err on the side of getting a little too close than a little too far.</p>

<p>Operahorn's suggestions make very good sense as a place to start. Remember that different halls and different mics can give very different results, so even if that placement sounds pretty good you may still want to experiment by moving the microphone by as little as a few inches and see if you can hear much of a difference. You can spend a lot of time doing this, but when you find just the right spot the results are worth it. (Kind of like when someone finds just the right spot when scratching your back.)</p>

<p>The one thing you really want to avoid with most mics is placing the mic near a surface that will produce an early reflection. If the path of the reflected sound to the microphone is not appreciably longer than the path of the direct sound to the microphone, the results are rarely pleasing. This means that you should not place the mic near the floor, ceiling, walls or any other large flat surface if you can avoid doing so. Pressure Zone electrets are an exception to this rule, but you are not going to be using one of those unless you try pretty hard to find one.</p>