<p>This year the acceptance rate was 48% due to increase in applications.</p>
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<p>That’s interesting considering that Tech doesn’t have an education program. </p>
<p>Of course, the woman that comes to clean my house also has a UGA degree, so what does that tell you? Nothing. Just like your anecdote. </p>
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<p>Care to give names? I’m only getting hits for pharmacy residents at Stanford.</p>
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<p>You will have a higher GPA at UGA if you go to UGA as a Recreation and Leisure major and Tech as a chemistry major. The chemistry majors at Tech and the chemistry majors at UGA have similar GPAs.</p>
<p>As I’ve said several time, this leads to more GT chemistry majors graduating cum laude than UGA chemistry majors. Cum laude at UGA is a 3.5. At GT it’s a 3.15. Is that because GT has so much lower GPAs? No. It’s because UGA has many “easy majors” where half the students graduate with 3.8+ GPAs. That’s great for you if you’re in one of the those majors, but terrible for you if you’re not. That also shows in the UGA profile that goes to graduate schools. If you have a 3.5 GPA, and the school sees that’s Top 25% in your university, do you think that’s better or worse than having a 3.5 GPA, which is Top 5% in your university? </p>
<p>Apples-to-apples, it’s better to be a Chemistry major at GT than at UGA. </p>
<p>I’m not sure what you mean by “traditional college experience”? Living in a small town? Would you call all of the schools in Boston not “traditional” college experiences?</p>
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<p>Tech’s male/female is 60/40 in the current class. But, I guess the social scene is pretty boring for a 17 year old that has never spent the night at GT.</p>
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<p>Tech has a 48% acceptance rate, which is much better than most state schools, and is comparable to many private schools. But why is it even that high? Look at the average APPLICANT stats: 1940 SAT, 3.67 UWGPA. UGA would love to have admitted students with those stats.</p>
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<p>But they’re not the same. If you compared UGA as a whole to GT as a whole, you would compare enrolled to enrolled or admitted to admitted. But what we’re actually comparing is a whole (GT) to a subset (UGA honors) within a whole (UGA) that would have reverted to the whole had it not been a member of the subset. So my comparison was correct.</p>
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<p>You don’t need to become so defensive on this site. People visit forums like this to elicit opinions and such from a variety of individuals–prospective students, parents of prospective students, current students, and alumni. It is a problem that you have become somewhat of a “bully” on this site. You are deterring people from contributing because you find pleasure in challenging every piece of iota posted on this site. College Confidential is NOT a source of any authority. It’s simply a friendly place to start a dialogue on schools. I am, in no way, denying that the people who post on sites like College Confidential are guilty of a little boosterism. However, please respect other people’s opinions…whether you agree with them or not. It is fine to challenge statistics that can be accessed by such official sources as the common data set (CDS), but it is both unproductive and unnecessary to so vehemently challenge posts that attest to the qualitative aspects of the UGA experience. I am positive that people who visit College Confidential appreciate those who–like you–post opinions, observations, etc. from other perspectives. In the future, please offer your opinions in ways that are not so rude and disrespectful.</p>
<p>GP: You choose to only use facts when you choose, and when it looks to be in your best interest. Second, the question that you have talked about where I put in information is the one that started this whole thing, comparing GT to UGA Honors. Yes, there is a difference between UGA and GT, but this question deals with GT vs UGA Honors. When you compare the enrolled students at GT vs UGA Honors, the UGA Honors stats (GPA, SAT, ACT) beat the overall at GT hands down. Look at the fact book, look at the UGA Honors data, and you will see that. I am sorry that you do not like the numbers, but it does not mean you can hide from them. As well, as I have still not seen your facts about GT and med school placement, only anecdotal information. Oh, and as most of the world knows, you can be a substitute teacher without having an ed degree, and GA Tech even talks about how a number of their grads become teachers (congrats to them by the way for helping out our youth!).</p>
<p>Burdell: Do you really refuse to believe that UGA can consistently produce a significant number of students who go on to great graduate programs? Are you really that convinced everyone in this thread is blowing smoke and mirrors in some kind of lame attempt to overstate the truth out of our “envy” of Tech? Your obsession with putting down UGA is rather odd, to put it mildly, and reflects quite badly on Tech. I hope any prospective students trying to choose between UGA and Tech will use this conversation to highlight all the advantages UGA has to offer as well as the strange focus at least a few Techies seem to have on comparing themselves to UGA and distorting the facts to make themselves look better. In the future, I hope you can limit your comments to providing useful information instead of questioning everything posted in the UGA forum as if it’s some kind of false propaganda.</p>
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<p>Future students: Your GPA is totally dependent on your dedication to your schoolwork. Yes, science majors at UGA probably have the hardest time on campus. However, you do you not need to have an “easy” major to get a high GPA. I know A LOT of people with 3.8+'s and are science majors. I myself am a double science major in cell bio and genetics with a 3.88 GPA.</p>
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<p>My posts are not rude or disrespectful. The OP asked a question, and it was answered. My answer has been challenged, and I responded.</p>
<p>The problem is that unless the “PC” answer is given (i.e. that both are “good schools”), those at one university will feel the post is “rude” or “offensive”. I could give the PC answer, but if I did, it would be at a disservice to the original poster. To some degree, it reminds me of the little league baseball games where the teams are not allowed to keep score because losing could hurt someone’s feelings.</p>
<p>If you look back, my posts regarding student life were in response to an assertion (or what I believed to be an assertion") that UGA has a better student experience than Tech. To counter that, I gave the advantages to attending college in a major urban area. </p>
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<p>I actually spent almost as much time at UGA as at Tech, and very likely I spent more time at UGA than you have. So you can label me however you want based on my opinion.</p>
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<p>My point is this: a lot of work in Chemistry at UGA gets you a 3.88 GPA. A lot of work in Chemistry at Tech gets you a 3.88 GPA. </p>
<p>The difference: At GT you’d be one of the top students in the entire university. Depending on the year, you’d be in the Top 0.5% and this would show based on the university profile. At UGA, you’re not even summa cum laude with that GPA.</p>
<p>What presents a better picture to a grad school? If your goal is MCG and you have a good MCAT, it probably doesn’t matter. But in a highly selective school like Stanford, it will. Not to mention that one school is ranked higher than the other.</p>
<p>No girls at Tech.</p>
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<p>GP: Just out of curiosity…where did you graduate from or where are you going to school currently (or both?)? If you’ve already graduated and are in the real world, what do you do for a living?</p>
<p>Burdell: You appear convinced that coming from UGA somehow hurts pre-med students. First off, UGA only ranks within majors and cum laude isn’t even determined until after med school apps are due (and who cares if you’re a 3.69 or 3.7?). Until you show that students of similar caliber coming from both UGA and Tech have different success rates in the med school admissions process, you have no proof that being from Tech is an inherent advantage to being from UGA. Your repeated implications that UGA students can only get into MCG fly in the face of the evidence offered here that shows plenty of UGA students do go on to top med schools. </p>
<p>You’re not offensive because you’re not giving the PC answer (which I don’t believe anyone on the UGA side is doing- in fact, many of us are saying that UGA is better in many ways, particularly from a social standpoint); you’re offensive because you’re questioning the honesty of the UGA responses here and putting forth your opinion as assertion. Spreading that kind of inaccurate information is detrimental to helping prospectives learn what both schools have to offer.</p>
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<p>I’m actually not. You’ll see on three separate occasions I have said that UGA is a good school. It’s just not of the same caliber as Georgia Tech. Franklin is basically second tier programs in a second tier school. The College of Sciences at GT is a first tier program at a first tier school. No one disputes that.</p>
<p>The general recourse offered here is that if you work hard, you’ll have a high GPA. My response is that hard work leads to a high GPA regardless. The difference is that a Med School will see a 3.88 GPA from UGA and translate that to Top 10%, while a 3.88 GPA from GT is translated to Top 0.5%, primarily because UGA has many majors with highly skewed GPAs. That argument holds regardless of when latin honors are designated.</p>
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<p>I put forth my opinion for debate, and no one wants to debate it. Rather, your post and the posts of your cohort seem more focused on me than on the argument. A little ad hominem ad infinitum, if you will. You can’t defend UGA, so rather you attack the poster.</p>
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<p>Does the fact that you’re in the top __% of your class show up on transcripts? Because if not, I don’t expect med schools to look up what your ranking is in the class and to spend time searching for that information. Your 4-year-college GPA will be compared against every other applicant’s 4-year-college GPA and not against the GPA of the people in your college. If your ranking in the class is so easily skewed by the majors included, I highly doubt med schools will put any weight on your class ranking.</p>
<p>If you have a competitive GPA and MCAT, you will get in the door at med school admissions regardless of where that GPA was earned (most med schools require schooling at a 4-year college, which eliminates any high GPAs earned at community colleges). If you have a fair or poor GPA and MCAT, you will have a harder time regardless of where your GPA was earned. There is a multitude of other determining factors when it comes to admissions (state residency, personal essay, interview, extracurriculars, etc). Where you graduated from will have little bearing on admissions. If you have information which states otherwise, let me know.</p>
<p>Why are you inserting your obsession with “prestige” into the equation by comparing apples and oranges (a massive college of arts and sciences with a highly specialized college of sciences)? Nobody’s disputing that Tech has an exceptional engineering program, but we are disputing that you buttonhole every single arts and science major at UGA as “second-tier” and that this designation has an impact on grad school admissions, particularly pre-med students. </p>
<p>Your claim that med schools interpret a 3.88 at UGA and a 3.88 at Tech in terms of class rank percentiles still makes no sense. Do you really think a Med School adcom will be looking at two students from UGA, one with a 3.88 in Chemistry and one with a 3.9 in English, and conclude that because “university-wide class rank matters” that the 3.9 is superior (everything else held equal)? Remember, they also don’t have access to class rank data outside of that student’s individual major, and that’s most useful just to determine the level of grade inflation within that major’s classes. It’s quite possible that a 3.9 in English could have a lower class rank (say, 70th percentile in the major) than a 3.88 in Chemistry (90th percentile in the major). In short, you’re interpreting the idea of class rank in a way that doesn’t actually exist and doesn’t make any sense to use if it did exist. I’ll certainly grant that it’s quite plausible that it’s harder to get a 3.88 in chemistry at Tech than at UGA and that med schools might accept a 3.88 from Tech over a 3.88 from UGA, all else equal, but that has nothing to do with class rank percentiles. </p>
<p>We’re actually all debating the facts, and we’ve shown that many of your claims are false or based solely on your own opinion. So I don’t understand why you’re continuing to post in this thread. You’ve made your points and observers can interpret the evidence for themselves.</p>
<p>The funny thing is UGA for the past 4-5 years was more selective then GA tech, but this year, it all came to reality…GA Tech’s admission rate was I think 48%…either that or 44% not sure…but now it’s lower then UGA’s and it will continue to decrease big time over the next few years.The avg gpa will also creep higher then UGA’s. The Test scores already are.</p>
<p>EDIT:Infact, the UGA admission rate has increased from 53%to 56% this year making it less selective because of less applicants although the Class of 2014 was much stronger then last year’s class. Making a new topic on it.</p>
<p>By the way whoever said that GA Tech had a low acceptance rate, it doesn’t!!! It’s 60%! [National</a> Universities Rankings - Best College - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings]National”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings)
Check this site out, GA tech is number 35, and it has stayed there from last year, while UGA went up by 2! Yes I had a Persian friend who had a 1250 and 3.5 and is going to Tech. Not try and degrade Tech put get your facts straight everyone. Also, please explain to me how Tech has an 80% acceptance rate to medical school. From what ive been hearing for TECH STUDENTS, they say the opposite. I volunteer at Winship Cancer Institute, in Atlanta, and one Senior at GA Tech had a 3.2 as well as a low MCAT score, and she decided to become a nurse. Not saying nursing is bad, but she couldn’t make it. I no at least to other people that had the same situation!
Whats so good about a school being to hard? All that matters is that the children are learning, and they get what they need for the future. UGA has a 94% retention rate, while GT has a 50% retention rate. If a school is that hard, and people are getting out it means their not learning. I’ve heard many goods things about the pre-med program at UGA, and how many students are successful. I’m not saying that Tech doesn’t have a good pre-med program, but DO NOT BASH UGA!</p>
<p>Ah, you over here by me huh? Tech does not have 50% retention rate anymore persianman123. They are obviously not doing that badly if they rank 35. You cannot rank 35 in USNWR with a terrible retention rate (normally is freshmen/sophomore retention that is measured). I think their rate between freshmen and sophomore year actually rivals ours. And actually, getting into Tech w/a 1250 is not really that common anymore. I will vouch for you in saying that Tech does not have 80% admission rate. That’s probably similar to the number we sometimes publish over here, which only refers to those with a 3.5+ and 30+ MCAT. But last I checked, Tech does okay, with about 53% overall. This is a little better or worse than us, so it can’t be too bad. Also, I’ve sat in a few classes over there at Tech, and notice that the biology and non-physics based chem. courses are not even as tough as ours. Thus, depending on your major, Tech may not be that tough. Like, for example, if someone is a biology (which many pre-meds do here, but I’d imagine lots there do major in BME there) major, they should do better than engineering majors, which have to go up against several (beyond intro.) extremely difficult calc. and physics classes there. But I’ve seen some of the material/exams for intro. bio, orgo., and gen. chem., and “intermediate” inorganic (we no longer even offer an intermediate version, so needless to say, their stuff was easier as they did not even cover all of the material), and all were easier than our counterparts. These are the classes that pre-meds normally take. Admittedly, if one is merely a bio major and does not have AP cred. for calc. there, they can be ruined by that class and physics, both which are normally required by med.schools. But I need not discuss the neuroscience and psychology major over here. The easier grading curve here doesn’t benefit those who are on the curve (most are, normally distribution in tougher classes has an even distribution on each side of the B- so go figure) b/c they get a B- (2.7) as opposed to the B(3.0) in upcurved classes at Tech. Too many of those in your science courses here, and pre-meds can kiss their dreams goodbye. Getting this grade or lower is extremely common in bio 1, chem 2., orgo. 1/2, NBB 301, and many of the psyche classes, and the social sciences for that matter, where, for some reason, the science students do not do as well as their humanity/social science minded counterparts. Normally such classes at Tech would be considered a guaranteed booster for science/engineering students, but not here. So end point is, Tech is tough, and very tough depending on the major, but I can see the stereotypical pre-med student being successful over there. I could see the same at UGA. Also, if Tech is so hard, why is my friend from here doing the 3/2 program and is over there destroying curves in both the general science courses (they tried him and made him take gen. bio) and the engineering courses? That’s pretty embarrassing that an Emory student is beating them at their own game. He is a chem. engineering major by the way. I think the toughness of Tech is legit, but certainly overblown as you normally here from those that are struggling terribly, and thus are more vocal. Those doing okay or well are not as loud. Besides the guy I mention, I have many friends doing very well there. Due to potential research opportunities that may enhance the exposure to healthcare related issues in Atlanta, I think Tech is worth it. Plus the facilities and education in the sciences there are probably more solid than at UGA. It depends on what the person wants and what they can handle. And I must take a swipe at UGA and say, while it is pretty good, its science classes are easier than both of ours. I don’t know what that means for success on the MCAT, but why risk it?
Admittedly, though, once the B grades easily become your friend, which the case at both of us (despite our inflation, you must work for the A grades in harder classes here. Professors love to give B-/Bs as I’ve already mentioned which are not good enough for pre-meds), you’re outta there! Most of my friends at UGA complain about their 3.6-7 GPAs.</p>
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<p>GT’s acceptance rate was 47% this year, which is in line with the other first tier public schools and well ahead of the second and third tier schools. </p>
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<p>It’s easier to move up at a lower ranking. When you perform a program-by-program comparison, Tech is Top 5 in the country in what it does (engineering). UGA is much lower ranked. Why does that matter? Employers and grad schools don’t look at overall rankings when comparing schools - they look at program rankings. If you want to compare programs that overlap, GT with a less than 10 year old MBA is well ahead of UGA, with a 30 year old MBA. But why rely on just USNWR? The Times Higher education has GT as #27 in the world overall and top 10 in the world in engineering. </p>
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<p>Now you’re just making things up. GT’s retention rate for Freshman was 93% last year and the Graduation rate was 79% [Graduation/Retention</a> Rates | Georgia Tech Factbook](<a href=“http://factbook.gatech.edu/content/graduationretention-rates]Graduation/Retention”>http://factbook.gatech.edu/content/graduationretention-rates) UGA’s retention rate was 94% with a 77.9% graduation rate. </p>
<p>What’s good about being “hard” depends on what makes material “hard”. If a class is difficult because the professor tries to trick you, there’s no value. But, if the class is difficult because you cover more material at a higher level in less time, then it does add considerable value. As someone that has taken classes at GT and UGA, I can say that GT classes cover considerably more material at a much higher level. Much more expected out of the students.</p>
<p>I was shocked when one of my friends was complaining about his first gen. chem test at UGA (he got a D 
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<p>If my friend couldn’t handle a first test of the caliber he mentioned, I worry about him.</p>
<p>However, if I’m right about my assumption of Tech’s new chem. and I were a high caliber student, I would chose Tech. A class moving as slow as my friend’s would demotivate me from studying and I probably wouldn’t do too well because I would feel insulted to a degree. I rather be kept on my toes.</p>
<p>Oh, and Banjo, thanks for the data, I knew Persianman was exaggerating like I don’t what.</p>
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<p>Before you decide, try to set your goals a little more clearly. You are young but you need to evaluate yourself first and foremost. Before you choose a school, be honest with yourself. Do you have a competitive nature? Are you willing to dedicate yourself to your studies? Have you decided that the math/science track is for you? </p>
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<li><pre><code>You know that you want to study medicine, in the state of Georgia. You love Georgia and you absolutely want to be a local doctor. You see yourself practicing medicine in the Southeast and most likely in Atlanta. Be practical. UGA will do just fine. Your GPA will be higher at UGA and there is a natural pipeline to regional med schools.
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<li><pre><code>You wish to compete on a broader field (nationally and internationally). You see yourself living in Atlanta or perhaps, London. Medicine is possibility, but you are not sure. You may decide to enter another field in science, math or engineering. If this is that case, go to GT and work hard. GT is vastly superior, academically, than UGA. There is little argument about this. GT has a world-class reputation and a valuable network that can place you into the highest positions in the world. GT will challenge you and push you to your limits. That sort of training will help you succeed anywhere.
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<li><pre><code>You are a typical young person and are not sure about who you are. If this is the case, then go to UGA. At UGA, you will be exposed to a liberal arts education that may entice you to go into a field that you might not have otherwise considered. Often times, a student will take a LA course and suddenly find out who they want to be. UGA can do a better job of this than GT.
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<p>There you have it. First be honest with yourself. I will say this: Do not worry about the level of work. I often see posts about students worrying about the amount of work they can expect. A good life requires work. If you don’t want to work hard now, then when? Don’t waste your time in college. You will never get another chance like this again.</p>