HELP!My Gudiance Counselor is ruining me!

<p>I'm currently a high school Junior. I received some information from West Point in November, indicating that they wanted me to play soccer for them. My GC also received a packet from them about two weeks later, informing her their interest and of the steps I would need to take.</p>

<p>So, here's where the scary part comes in. Please keep in mind that I am a Junior. My GC calls me down to her office and looks at my grades. My grades are "Great!" she tells me (3.94 GPA). She then proceeds to tell me that I am way behind in the application process and I need to get everything done by the end of the month (its now December). This involves getting a congressional appointment, a fitness test, etc. All of which she responds by saying, "I really have no idea. I know students have applied to academies in the past, but I'll give you a couple of websites and you'll be fine."</p>

<p>Okay, well I rushed around over my Christmas break, and discovered I needed to send an OFFICIAL transcript, my GC gave me an unofficial one. So when I get back to school, I go to her office. She prints me off several official transcripts and tells me that she will send one to West Point herself. Before I leave her office my GC says, "Wait a second. You're a Junior? Oh, I had thought you were a Senior! You have tons of time." And thats the last I've heard of West Point again. </p>

<p>Since then I have come to the conclusion that I don't want to go to West Point and even if I did my counselor has screwed me over royally, but recently I have become much more interested in highly compettitive schools. Should I try to change counselors? Keep in mind that during the whole process, she didn't ONCE, ask me about my test scores, if I had gone through the NCAA clearinghouse, how I should prepare myself for college, etc.</p>

<p>ur a junior... why does it matter?</p>

<p>Give her a break, you're not the only student she has to deal with.</p>

<p>From my own experience, a lot of the college application process depends on the student. It's your duty to find out what needs to be sent in -- not your guidance counselor's.</p>

<p>I wasted an entire Christmas break stressing over tasks that I had a year to do. I know she has other students, but honestly, its her job to HELP me not HINDER me. She didn't even know what grade I was in. How am I going to be able to trust her in filling out important info on an application to say, UVA?</p>

<p>With some notable exceptions, GC's at normal public schools know almost nothing about applying to the elite colleges. College admissions are not the biggest part of their jobs. They have to deal with discipline problems, psychological problems, irate parents, scheduling, and bureaucratic issues. In addition, most of the people who do go to college are probably going to state schools or community colleges. GC's also deal with potential high school dropouts and people who are not going to college finding jobs.</p>

<p>Your GC has not left a good impression on you or anyone else that you tell this story to. The number one rule of college admissions is know what year the student is in. At any rate, the main thing your GC will do in the application process is fill in the GC recommendation and make sure that your transcripts are sent to the colleges. If this one likes you, keep her.</p>

<p>At the private high schools, the GC's are normally better because the parents are paying for it and expect results. You can still apply to West Point if you want to.</p>

<p>In terms of applying to the elite colleges. The number one thing they care about is difficulty of curriculum. Take the most advanced courses offered at your high school. Then they care about gpa/rank. The two are considered together since gpa is useless by itself. The rank tells them whether your hs grades easy or hard. Then they care about standardized test scores. Colleges publish SAT 50% ranges showing the scores that 50% of the admitted students received. For example, if the SAT 50% range is 1400-1540, then 25% scored below 1400, 25% scored above 1540, and the rest scored between 1400 and 1540. You want to apply to about 9 colleges where 1-2 are safeties, 4-5 are matches and 3-4 are reaches. A school is about safety if you score about the 75% mark, a match if you score at about the 60% mark and a reach if you score at about the 40% mark. (more on this later)</p>

<p>After you qualify on academic measures, they look at extracurriculars (EC's), essays and recommendations (GC and teachers). Elite colleges want well rounded freshman classes, but not well rounded freshmen. In your EC's you want to show long-term commitment to one or two activities rather than a long list of activities without much involvement in any. They want unique candidates. This is how they make the final cut between people who all have outstanding academic measures. In addition, the competition at the top 10-15 colleges is absolutely insane. They don't have room for everybody who they would like to accept. They may have 4 or 5 applicants for each slot who are virtually identical, and so this introduces an element of luck.</p>

<p>Large public universities are more numbers driven, and the gpa/rank and standardized test scores are close to the whole story in a lot of cases.</p>

<p>There are different kinds of colleges: Large public universities, private universities, and Liberal Arts Colleges (LAC's). LAC's have much smaller classes and the professors know you. Large public universities probably have better facilities, but larger class sizes. In the middle are private universities that are typically (but not always) smaller than the publics, and are larger than the LAC's. (Harvard falls in this category.) The prestige of a college is not the most important thing. You need to pick colleges that fit you personally. Colleges can be urban/suburban/rural. They have have sports teams or not. You should visit colleges near you that you don't even plan to apply to just to see different types of colleges.</p>

<p>In addition, you need to know about SAT II subject tests since some colleges require them. You also need to know about different types of admissions such as ED (early decision where you apply to only one college and if they accept you, then you have to attend), EA (early action where you apply early and get a decision back sooner), Rolling Admission (where there is no set deadline but they let you know a few weeks after you apply), and RD (regular decision). Under RD, you apply at around Jan 1st (give or take a few weeks), and they let you know by April 1.</p>

<p>Concerning the SAT 50% ranges: In order to maintain diversity on college campuses, colleges give preference to certain types of applicants such as legacies, recruited athletes, under-represented minorities (URM's), people who give at least $50 million to the college, and VIP's. In addition, ED applicants have statistically lower scores (they also have less time to get ready for the SAT). Because of all of this, applicants in the lower half of the SAT 50% range probably had some "hook" in order to be accepted. If you have a hook, then take it into account. </p>

<p>Next summer, you should be picking out the colleges that you want to apply to.</p>

<p>UVA is a public university that does spend alot of time in looking at everything about the applicant. It is much harder to get into UVA is you are out-of-state (OOS). State legislatures will often require that 70% of the accepted applicants be from in-state.</p>

<p>she's not ruining you... she's only trying to help you.
give her a break.</p>

<p>nice post dufus. you werent a former adcom were you?</p>

<p>No, I just got interested in it as a topic when my S applied to college. I've read about 10 books on it. I know it is a funny thing to be interested in. I've been interested in more interesting things.</p>

<p>Um, you KNEW you were a Junior, did it not even occur to you to mention that? my goodness, placing blame when it was in fact all your fault.</p>

<p>Did it not occur to you that this was, like, a year early? </p>

<p>Take responsiblity for your own mistake, don't blame someone else</p>

<p>She assumed you were a Senior because YOU came to her with your application, letter, etc. As for "screwing you over royally", give it a break, so you had to do some busy work...big deal...you rushed into her office, assumed, which was dumb, but because of YOUR actions, assumed you were a senior</p>

<p>Screwed you over? I don't think so.</p>

<p>Ummm.... why didn't you say you're a junior?</p>

<p>The OP said:
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So, here's where the scary part comes in. Please keep in mind that I am a Junior. My GC calls me down to her office and looks at my grades. My grades are "Great!" she tells me (3.94 GPA). She then proceeds to tell me that I am way behind in the application process and I need to get everything done by the end of the month (its now December). This involves getting a congressional appointment, a fitness test, etc.

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It doesn't say that the OP went to the GC with an application or anything else. In fact, it says that the GC got a packet from West Point directly and called him down to her office. Also, how is a high school senior supposed to know how early you have to start in order to get into West Point? I don't even know that. It is harder than just applying to a normal college, what with the congressional nomination. West Point did send him the packet in the middle of junior year.</p>

<p>citygirlsmom..I did not come to her. She called me after receiving information from West Point. I naturally assumed that she knew I was a Junior. Why should I have to introduce myself as a Junior? I just thought that if she had called me down to her office, she would have at least done a quick background check on my grades and class status. Oh and at our first meeting, as she first printed up my unofficial transcript, she noted that I was 6th of 276 in my class. I will put on a side note that my schools Senior class is very small, only 100 students (effects of rezoning). Surely, she would have known the small size of our Senior class, particularly because early decision apps had just been sent out. Shouldn't my class rank have sent out a red flag that I was a Junior. </p>

<p>On another note, West Point is allowed to start the recruiting stage a year earlier because they are a military academy and require much more in the application process than does a regular college. So I was not coming too early. I was right on time.</p>

<p>Once again, it is her job to help me and educate me with the college process. She is getting paid by the state of Viriginia. I have never applied to college, and prior to a month or two ago, I honestly only thought that all I needed to do was take my SATs, keep my grades up, and participate in school events.
I have learned otherwise since then.</p>

<p>I also had another question. I had a scheduling snafu. My school has block scheduling, A and B days. We can take a total of 8 classes. Well for the first semester I was taking only 6 classes of full year courses, along with a study hall period, and a faculty aide period. This semester I am taking a full course load by adding two semester (.5 credit) classes to my work load. At the end of the year, I will have 7 credits out of a possible 8. Does this affect a college's decision negatively?</p>

<p>You don't need to apply for West Point any earlier. The only two real additional things you need are the congressional recommendation and fitness test. You should probably try and get these two things done in the summer, but you shouldn't be talking to the councilor until early in the fall of your senior year.</p>

<p>I hate it when people complain about their guidance counselor. People think they have it bad because they're gc did something wrong, or forgot something, but get this: my gc went on SABBATICAL as soon as my college process began (and was gone for six months)</p>

<p>The result: I was left to figure out this thing we call the "college admissions process" on my own. That's when I turned to CC. And I'm the better person because of it.</p>

<p>My advice: If your guidance counselor is ignorant about the college admissions process, then it's YOUR job to educate yourself on the process yourself. Do whatever you can to avoid mistakes in the future. Learn what the common app is, the fafsa, efc, early decision, etc. Go to CC, read books, collegeboard.com, etc. You'll survive.</p>

<p>And chill out. It's not that serious.</p>

<p>I am going to have to go and agree with the OP here. I went from a public school where my GC barely knew who I was, to a school where my GC knows me by name, knows my stats, and all of that. It is so much nicer than having a GC, who doesn't really know, have to prepare stuff like the transcript and recommendations for you just to send off to college. Sometimes I wonder what a GC does if they can't even help all of the students. They should have a separate GC for each grade because there is no reason why a person should have to deal with over 800+ of the student body (or however many kids are in your school).</p>

<p>So in the three years, you have not met with your GC? Have you taken any initiative in talking to her before this? Or was this the first meeting...</p>

<p>my Ds go to their counselors all the time, to chat, ask questions, get information, share information</p>

<p>she came to you, but you weren't much help</p>

<p>have you signed up for the SATs yet? how did you decide what classes to take</p>

<p>don't blame others who make a mistake and get all dramatic, does you no good, you could have read the applciations, and asked some questions yourself, it is your life, after all</p>

<p>It has actually fascinated me how people will assume that everyone else deserves what they got. It seems to be a defense mechanism to make life seem more in control. Somebody will drive by an auto accident and say "That can't happen to me. I'm a good driver." When hearing that somebody has cancer, the response is "Well, that can't happen to me because I don't eat much red meat." Unfortunately, stuff happens to people all the time.</p>

<p>A high school gets called down to the GC's office because the GC is in a panic over his West Point application that he isn't even pursuing, and it is his fault somehow? Give him a break and let him complain.</p>

<p>If your doctor calls up and gets you confused with somebody else and says that you only have 6 months to live, it isn't your fault that you haven't gotten to know him/her better.</p>

<p>IDefineCool, in response to your original question, I don't think it's possible to change guidance counselors. I know how frustrating they can be...mine seemed so inept at the beginning (i had a new one beginning of this year). im applying to study abroad for senior year so i had gone in to talk to her several times earlier than usual..about colleges, study abroad, etc. and then the next time ii saw her, she forgot my name</p>

<p>but things have gotten better. we talk, and she likes me a lot. </p>

<p>so the point of this rambling post is that you should give her another chance BEFORE the actual process of applying to uni's starts. talk to her. make sure she knows more about you and your interests. don't assume anything...gc's at public schools aren't known for their knowledge of students. but at the same time, go ahead and vent. you ahve the right to :)</p>

<p>The Guidance Counselor is Ruining Me!!!</p>

<p>Well, that is a mature way to handle a mix up</p>

<p>And its more than venting, the OP took no responsiblity for their own mistakes and not looking things up themselves</p>

<p>lots of posters on this site do that- well, its all somebody elses fault, what do you mean you can't tell me where something in on the UC website, you mean I should have copped on that I am a Jr and am not even interested in West Post?</p>

<p>Take some responsibilty, remember its your life and you should take care of looking stuff up as well</p>

<p>Venting is fine, but to whine and complain cause you have no clue what is going on YOURSELF is childish</p>