<p>I’d homeschool before I would give those bastards another dime.</p>
<p>And I don’t think that protecting yourself from potential cheaters is a valuable life lesson. I think it is sickening. No wonder people are paranoid and fearful.</p>
<p>I dont think being cautious and anticipating fraud makes people paranoid.
Its just being prudent.
Wisdom is acquired slowly, & I expect college students to be overly idealistic.its pretty much their job.</p>
<p>cptofthehouse, agreed. My son is one of the smartest but the girl has better GPA. So I don’t believe he would deliberately let her cheat off him. It just does not make common sense. He actually went out tonight (not to party, he is in the city) and it seems that he is very confident that he will be cleared soon. Maybe he is just too simple, too naive. I told him there is still a long process ahead of him even he is eventually off the hook. As a frustrated and paranoid parent, I have to vent and can’t sleep well until this matter is resolved. As for the lesson learned, I don’t know how valuable it is since you are constantly surrounded by different people that you have no control of their behavior and you can only do so much to protect yourself. The other thought is when someone befriends you in college, do you really have to think the motive? This is really scary if son has to think that way. College friends are supposed to be friends forever, is it?</p>
<p>I can honestly say that it never crossed my mind to “protect” my test paper from my classmates in HS or college. And I am very happy to say so! Of course, in both cases most of my tests were essay questions, so the point was moot. (I never had a multiple choice test in college, in fact. And very few, if any, in HS. Except the standardized tests, of course.)</p>
<p>bfkid hugs to your son and to you as you stress about this situation.</p>
<p>Let us know how it turns out. </p>
<p>In my experience, you do sometimes have to go extra measures. </p>
<p>Making the appt with the Dean. Talking to the Dept Chair also? Your son’s sincerity and his record should work in his favor.</p>
<p>I hope this is not distracting your son from doing his best.</p>
<p>I’ve seen this before. It’s not unusual for one person to cheat off someone else, the latter being innocent. Usually we bring them in individually, and one cops. The other is cleared. It’s a formal process, but it is not uncommon.</p>
<p>I have emailed the Dean in charge of this matter and got reply back. He assured me that this is just the formal process and no implication of son any wrongdoing at this point. I am not sure though if I should send another email and make any claim or implication, even though it is based on facts. For example, a student witnessed the girl cheated in the first test. I don’t want Dean and his staff to feel we are too pushing since it is still in the information gathering stage. So I probably wait for son to submit his written statement. I hope the Dean’s office will conduct a fair and unbiased investigation. Thanks all for the help!</p>
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She’s probably cheated her way to that better gpa.</p>
<p>You need to slow down…don’t send another email. Your son needs to be the one doing the talking here.</p>
<p>OP- you weren’t there. So now that you’ve alerted the Dean to the fact that you’re concerned, you need to back off. Your son was in the room; your son sent the emails with the study materials; your son is the one who needs to move this forward. There is not a single fact you can bring to bear on this situation. Hugs- it is frustrating but your son can manage this.</p>
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<p>Good Luck with that. I can’t even begin to count the stories on CC where that is not typically the case.</p>
<p>I got whiplash from all the things my kids did in school, college included. And none of it was the top of the line, real trouble, just being stupid and being around trouble rather than directly causing it most of the time. When caught, even run of the mill stuff that is happening all around get serious treatment by the authorities. It’s really crazy. Good luck, and hugs. Been there too many time, though not the cheating part. None of mine were worth cheating off of nor did they care enough about grades to even think about cheating. </p>
<p>We all can pray for a good resolution.</p>
<p>I think the instructor/faculty member is going to have to back down on his ‘offer’</p>
<p>Before turning in son’s written account, I would have him talk to his advisor, dept chair. They can help steer him. He needs his team members on his team.</p>
<p>In some ways I view this as the legal process. How many times can that get derailed if you are not careful.</p>
<p>To me it looks bad that the faculty person was not properly proctoring the exams.</p>
<p>Hugs.</p>
<p>I agree with those who say that it is time for you to back off in terms of communication with the dean.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I would stay in close communication with your son, have him run what he plans to submit by you, and so forth. This should be in the nature of support, not telling him what to do. (Tell him that another pair of eyes is always good. I know that <em>my</em> S would be inclined to think that some things were “obvious” and scoff at the need to clearly delineate them.) If your son insisted on shutting you out, he would undoubtedly come running to you if the result were negative! :)</p>
<p>Just to add a possibly redundant piece of advice to the OP. As a faculty member I have sat on, and chaired, several review panels involving reports by teachers that students engaged in academic dishonesty. The panels are composed of faculty and students. These panels review the instructor’s report and the students’ written responses. There is then a hearing, during with the instructor and the students’ make presentations and are questioned by the members of the panel. </p>
<p>The panels are advisory to the dean. A dean doesn’t usually take up or resolve a case independently. I’ve found, however, that the panel’s recommendations are invariably adhered to. And I’ve also found that almost invariably the students are found “not guilty,” and some form of resolution is recommended, including in some cases expunging all records of the original filing by the instructor.</p>
<p>So let the process go forward. If your son bears no responsibility for the cheating, this will very likely be determined through a hearing process. Wait for the results. There likely will be some form of appeal process. Then focus on the remedies and the records, if need be.</p>
<p>^ Yes.</p>
<p>At this point, I will just, as mackinaw suggested, wait and let the process run its course. I can only “hope” it will be a fair and unbiased process. But I have no “faith” in the teacher, nor in the girl who is obviously trying to clear herself off the first one. I keep my finger crossed.</p>
<p>“NOT GUILTY” - this is the verdict from my son’s hearing in school today. It’s over and what a relief!! It has been exactly one month since last post on this thread. I purposely kept myself from posting anything because of the ongoing investigation and pending hearing. I want to thank you all for the help and support!! </p>
<p>Congratulations. You must be so happy.</p>
<p>What a relief. Glad to hear there was a happy ending and thanks for letting us know!</p>