<p>“I’m also biracial (half black), so, as abhorrent as it is to say this, that might help.”</p>
<p>It will certainly help you out. I’d say you have around a 60 percent chance of getting accepted SCEA and about 35 percent chance of deferral based off of what you provided.</p>
<p>“Yeah, I think I’m going to go for it just because it’s my favorite school and there’s no reason not to, though I’m fully expecting to be rejected.”</p>
<p>Rejections were relatively rare SCEA. Unlike Stanford, Yale defers the majority of its applicants SCEA. Stanford rejects a very healthy share.</p>
<p>You’ll see the data for the white applicants rejected SCEA on post 694 on this page: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/651345-race-college-admissions-faq-discussion-3-a-47.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/651345-race-college-admissions-faq-discussion-3-a-47.html</a></p>
<p>The average SAT of those rejected was 2174, and the average Subject Test total was 2184. Only one of the eight white applicants who was rejected had a SAT score above 2260.</p>
<p>Deferral seems likely for you based off of what you’ve provided. Good luck, though!</p>
<p>My freshman year was pretty much a B average, but the following two years I got straight A’s (hardest course load). Im Hispanic with a 2290 and excellent EC’s. Will my freshman scores keep me out?</p>
<p>Not necessarily, especially since schools like upward trends.</p>
<p>What’s your overall unweighted GPA and class rank?</p>
<p>How about me</p>
<p>SAT: 2160 (Will retake)
ACT: 34
SAT 2: Math2 780, US History 800, will take Bio and Chem soon
GPA: 4.0 unweighted
Rank: 1/about 40
AP: 5 US History, (Chem Bio CalcAB and Physics C Mechanics taken this year)</p>
<p>School newspaper editor/writer 4 years, co-editor in chief, High Student Council Positions all 4 years, NMSF most likely, AP Scholar with distinction most likely, ISAC Scholar, WYSE awards at State, Extensive volunteering with Local Mosques and Muslim organizations(helped organizae many Mosque events and worked with many conventions for ICNA and MAS as well as AMP see below), Varsity Basketball (not recruited) for 4 years including next(captain next year), played traveling soccer for 3 years and was captain for all 3 years, co-head of Peer Tutoring program at school, Yearbook editor for 2 years and Lit club for 1 year, trying to start school’s first baseball team(in the works).
Most Important EC is my work for AMP, which stands for American Muslims for Palestine and was founded by Hatem Bazian(professor at UC Berkeley). Have made mini documentaries, helped organize large scale events and fund raising dinners as well as conventions mostly for Gaza and for informing the Public around us of Palestine.</p>
<p>Your SAT is a little low, but the ACT is perfectly fine if you want to just send that. If you want to get accepted SCEA, however, a 35 on the ACT or 2300+ on the SAT proved to be a near-requirement. </p>
<p>Your ECs look great. I, too, am involved in WYSE. </p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>what about me? my GPA sort of kicks me into the defer/reject piles especially because i’m an ORM, but i’m hoping my art background and supplement will “hook” me into the accepted pile, miraculously of course.</p>
<p>SAT: 2240; ACT: 35
SATIIs: three 800’s, a 790, and a 740.
GPA: 3.82 (I had adjustment issues… i have about 11 trimester B+'s which translate into 7 semester B+'s)
Recs: probably top 5% to top 1%</p>
<p>ECs: art 9-12 (seven years of private instruction; x2 international awards; x2 publications in nationally/internationally circulating magazines; x2 schools professional gallery installment; x1 installment in a professional juried show; designed work for school function’s; city artists’ guild member)
varsity swim (co-captain, x10 state qualifier, x3 scholar-athlete)
science research (research assistant, 600+ hours, might submit abstract)
culture clubs (president of one, officer of another)
charity club (president)
volunteering (50+ hours, i serve on a school committee board as well.)</p>
<p>Supplemental art portfolio will be extremely strong, and i’m considering to send in a supplemental art teacher rec which will be amazing. my intended major if art, and if i can list a dual major i’d do dual major in art and science.</p>
<p>percyshelley: oh good! we can commiserate!</p>
<p>RFK68: Hopefully we can celebrate together instead!</p>
<p>Oh, and sorry that this thread devolved into a “chance thread”; I said my stats with no intention of that happening.</p>
<p>chair2, everything looks very good except the GPA. It’s very rare for an ORM to get accepted early with that GPA, but it’s always possible. Your ECs may make up for it.</p>
<p>I can’t imagine you getting rejected early, though.</p>
<p>not being rejected is a comforting thought–even if it’s with a delayed one with deferral. i don’t know, though.</p>
<p>just a quick question: i know that princeton throws out freshman year grades because they are “adjustment year” grades. but my adjustment year was actually 10th grade–i know colleges won’t throw them out, but are they likely to forgive me a tiny bit? (3 B+'s and 4 A’s all year, only that year, though)</p>
<p>I don’t know if I’d call if forgiveness, but colleges prefer upward trends in grades. So, having three B’s will hurt you, but not as much as if they were in your junior year.</p>
<p>Question: Does course rigor/school diffficulty/rank somewhat negate otherwise questionable grades, say a B in AP english and 2 B+ in AP calc? Does a top two in the class ranking also help? thanks :)</p>
<p>While it may be tedious, I would recommend that everybody interested in SCEA read the 2013 SCEA results thread, all of it:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/yale-university/616404-official-yale-2013-scea-results-thread.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/yale-university/616404-official-yale-2013-scea-results-thread.html</a>
While silverturtle has done some interesting analysis of this, I think it’s very valuable to read it, and compare yourself with the students listed there. It will begin to give you a feel for the process and for what Yale is looking for.</p>
<p>^ Agreed.</p>
<p>The approach I took was intended to give an objective and fully quantified supplement to one’s reading of the full results.</p>
<p>Silverturtle, thanks so much for reading everyone’s posts and being so helpful!</p>
<p>No problem. It’s all in the hope that when I’m applying in about a year and a half, I get the same kind of help.</p>
<p>And yes. I have been a regular on CC since eight grade.</p>
<p>Silverturtle - lol, I’d never have thought you were a soph.</p>
<p>While some of his points are valid, I’d like to point out the obvious that the sample size in CC is limited, and also especially considering that the could-be-more-important factors such as essays and recommendations are not within our access, one shouldn’t necessarily not apply based on their GPA or something like that (in the case of chair2) or assume that you need to automatically match a score range.</p>
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I really don’t think that grades will be the deciding factor of your admissions, and I think you should stop worrying about them (I’ve seen you post about your grades quite a few times).</p>
<p>^ I agree wholeheartedly. I am a firm believer that once you cross a certain “threshold” of grades and scores, (i.e. you grades/scores demonstrate you are qualified to handle the Yale workload) it’s no longer about grades but about what else you can add to the campus. Worrying about an extra .01 or .1 in your GPA isn’t going to help you too much. Rather, work on what can make you stand out to the admissions committee.</p>
<p>Also, I agree with Invoyable that the sample size is extremely limited, not only in terms of the general applicant pool, but also in terms of the race breakdown. You can’t call a sample size of 6 or 2 significant at all.</p>
<p>“I am a firm believer that once you cross a certain “threshold” of grades and scores, (i.e. you grades/scores demonstrate you are qualified to handle the Yale workload) it’s no longer about grades but about what else you can add to the campus.”</p>
<p>I, too, had this impression before I did the SCEA analysis. But it’s hard to argue with the implication of the fact that 30/32 of the unhooked SCEA acceptees had SAT 1 scores over 2310+. I assume your threshold of one’s being able to handle the workload does not exceed 2300.</p>
<p>I do not want to imply that I agree with the seemingly continued consideration Yale has toward SAT scores even beyond 2300; I think that anything 2250+ should be treated almost equally given the minor differences in raw scores accounting for the total composite scores.</p>
<p>“While some of his points are valid, I’d like to point out the obvious that the sample size in CC is limited”</p>
<p>I have noted these shortcomings and hope that those who find these limitations minor enough to consider the data useful are, nevertheless, aware of the sample size and self-selecting nature.</p>
<p>“important factors such as essays and recommendations are not within our access, one shouldn’t necessarily not apply based on their GPA or something like that (in the case of chair2) or assume that you need to automatically match a score range.”</p>
<p>Other, subjective factors certainly affect admission, but the fact that the scores of those accepted SCEA are much more clustered near the top of the score range than are the scores of the general pool leads me to believe that scores do have a significant, threshold-like effect.</p>
<p>I doubt this threshold for admission SCEA is concrete, but it seems present and high.</p>
<p>This effect was not as present in my analysis of Princeton’s RD decisions, which may be due to a different policy at Princeton and/or differences in early and regular decision admissions.</p>