Yes? Refusing to leave somewhere you’re not supposed to be is generally frowned upon.
Argumentative and difficult or persistent?
In my school, if you " just sit down in the alg 2 class and refuse to leave? ", the first person to be called would be the dean.
The second, I would imagine, would be the police.
Neither would look particularly good on a transcript.
Students do not dictate school policy.
you’re right. I definitely don’t want to be “that student”, but I sure wish there was some way to take both of those classes
Explain to your GC that it’ll actually decrease your anxiety because algebra2 uses algebra 1 so you’ll move seamlessly into it, and geometry is a separate part of math you’ve already worked on …?
I’ll try that, but there’s no guarantee it will work. Usually, when I tell her something will decrease anxiety, she thinks I’m being manipulative.
Aren’t you?
do you actually think so??
So what if I took geometry at my high school like normal but took trig (or whatever the equivalent would be) at my local community college?
@bjkmom: why is the sequence typically alg1,geometry, alg2? It’d make so much more sense to me to have alg1,alg2,geometry, trig/precalculus OR for kids who are advanced and took alg1 in MS for instance, 9th grade alg2+geometry, 10th precalculus honors, or whose math teacher considers they can be accelerated, alg2 in 10th along with geometry? Doubling up these two makes the most sense to me but I’m no math teacher so I may not perceive the logic in separating alg2 from alg1.
@futurecollege00 : Trig comes after algebra2. So if you were to take it at a cc, you’d have to look into remedial algebra.
Ok. At my school alg2 and trig are one class combined. of course, I’ll check all the class syllabi with my beloved GC to make sure that it works.
I think the reasoning is this:
So much of trig revolves around a concrete understanding of similarity, of the two special triangles and their relationships— things you learn in geometry. So Algebra II& Trig, which is typically one course, comes after geometry.
But, more than that, the material in Algebra II & Trig can get pretty intense. (In NY, at least, it’s one course.) It’s a packed course-- I always tell our juniors to PLEASE make sure they don’t get mono or strep; missing a week in that course will bury you. And the material can get pretty sophisticated for a typical kid. So most schools wait until the kids are a little more mature, better able to handle the material.
But I get what you’re saying: on the face of it, the “Geometry sandwich” does not make sense. Most teachers have to spend the early days of Algebra II & Trig reviewing factoring-- almost everything else, the kids can remember, but Factoring is kind of a black hole.
@bjkmom How does HS geom/DE alg2 and trig at the same time sound>
For starters, the “DE” designation isn’t universal; I’ve never seen it before and don’t know what it means.
IT would depend, of course, on your guidance counselor.
It’s how I did it, back in the early 70’s. And I’ve got to tell you two things:
One, I had AWFUL math teachers in HS. One, I swear, was teaching to avoid going to Vietnam. He was useless. As a result, it took me a long time to really internalize the math I should have learned.
Two: Taught well, Algebra II & Trig is a VERY intense course. I think that, up there with Physics, it’s among the most rigorous courses in a typical high school curriculum.
I can absolutely see why most guidance counselors would hesitate about letting a kid take both together. The foundation for trig is similar triangles, and special triangles in particular. Yet they typically don’t come up in geometry until fairly late in the course-- well after you would be seeing them in Algebra II &Trig.
I know that DE isn’t a universal designation. It’s just what I (and I think some other people) say instead of “dual enrollment”. My teacher is pretty good, and I’m a good learner and I think I’m pretty smart, too. I was in this gifted and talented program in elementary school and then I moved and they didn’t have it at my new school. tears. But I think I could adapt. Do you know anyone who has ever done that? How did they do?
So you’re hoping to take high school level Algebra II& Trig on a college level? Is it even offered? is it considered remedial on a college level?
Every kid in my school, regardless of academic track, takes Algebra II and Trig-- admittedly, it’s a college prep school. I can’t imagine it being offered for credit at a college-- have you looked into this?
Well, yes, I’d take whatever the college equivalent is. Would it look worse to take a remedial college course than to only (potentially) go through precalc in HS? I don’t think it would count as an HS credit, but I’d still have enough (3) to graduate. I might graduate a year early.
OK, I understand. The math sequence I know had Trig with precalculus, so that geometry was not needed (and algebra 2 was doable, even if some stusents needed it broken down - kids with dyscalculia being in another situation). I didn’t know some curricula had it with algebra2, which would then become a super intense class.
So, op should learn how his/her school structures the class content.
How would a student know they can take geometry and Algebra 2 together, and when they shouldn’t?
Our school is Alg2 and trig together. There’s no evidence I can’t, is there?
There’s no evidence in one direction or another-- we’re all strangers.
Only your guidance counselor can tell you.