<p>Yes, MYOS1634, they can take classes at both schools, but CS is considered an “off campus” major for Scripps students. If they want to complete the major at Mudd, they have to take most of the classes there. They can also complete it at Pomona. But your comment about double majoring implied a double major with a major at Scripps and a CS major at Mudd is really going to be a difficult scenario. Again… this student probably has the stats for Mudd, not sure why she would attend Scripps if she is interested in a STEM major anyway.</p>
<p>At Tufts the CS major in Arts and Sciences has fewer required CS courses and math courses than the CS major in engineering. The individual courses that are taught do not have different content or professors.
Additionally, the CS degree program in engineering is ABET accredited, while the one in Arts and Sciences is not.</p>
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<p><a href=“http://eecs.northwestern.edu/images/docs/undergrad_study_man.pdf[/url]”>http://eecs.northwestern.edu/images/docs/undergrad_study_man.pdf</a>
Appendix A describes the engineering CS major.
Appendix B describes the arts and sciences CS major.</p>
<p>Note that the lower division CS courses, EECS 101, 111, 211, 212, 213, 214, are the same for both majors. For upper division CS courses, both majors require 5 breadth courses, 6 depth courses, and 2 project courses.</p>
<p>The differences between the two CS majors appear to be in the math, science, humanities, and social studies requirements.</p>
<p>Indeed, the department also says:</p>
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<p>The department also has an electrical engineering major and a computer engineering major.</p>
<p>MIT is not everyone’s cup of tea. She might want to look at Rose-Hulman or Olin, which are smaller schools. Olin has made a commitment to try to get 50/50 men-women, which is unusual. She probably ought to think hard about why she’s made the decision to go with engineering, though.</p>
<p>Regarding CS from Arts & Science vs Engineering: Do employers know the difference or do they even care? I am assuming that in getting the degree from engineering one can infer that the course load was more demanding, but is it a clear advantage in getting hired?</p>
<p>Can’t imagine why it would make a difference unless:</p>
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<li>The differences in non-CS course work actually matter for the job in question.</li>
<li>The engineering CS degree is ABET accredited, and the job has need for such (e.g. patent agent).</li>
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<p>Both of the above are uncommon cases in the overall scheme of employment for CS majors.</p>
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Well, the statistics nerd in me will point out that such comparisons are useless without knowing the relative strength of each group of applicants.</p>
<p>It is my understanding that female engineering applicants are, on the average, better at math than their male counterparts. To put it another (perhaps more accurate) way, women usually never apply to engineering unless their math and science grades are sky-high; their male counterparts will apply with lower grades and test scores. </p>
<p>It’s basically a confidence thing: young women usually only go for engineering if they have the validation of being outstanding math and science students; men will apply if they are good, but not great. The acceptance rates often reflect the relative strengths (or lack of weaknesses) of the applicant pool.</p>
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Awhile back I did a comparison among students in the same high SAT & GPA range, using the Parchment data. The female:male admit ratio for this similar stat group is listed below at various selective colleges:</p>
<p>Female:Male Admit Rate Ratio Among High Stat Apps:
MIT – 2.3:1
Caltech – 1.4:1
Yale – 1.1:1
Berkeley – 1.05:1
Princeton – 0.97:1
Harvard – 0.96:1
Stanford – 0.92:1</p>
<p>The results suggest that being female at MIT gives a similar degree of boost as being an URM. This also fits with MIT have a much larger female admit rate than male admit rate, resulting it it being one of only 2 tech colleges I am aware of with a well balanced male-female ratio. Less selective tech colleges that admit nearly all apps are often ~80% male. A similar ratio also occurs in some highly selective colleges that do not admit by school and allow open enrollment between majors. For example, my EE graduating class at Stanford was ~90% male for both undergrad and grad.</p>
<p>@MYOS1634
I don’t think my daughter would like to attend a college that’s exclusively for girls. Her words: “I would go insane. Too much drama.” </p>
<p>She’s also not so keen to LAC’s. She prefers to go to a college bigger than a typical LAC population wise.</p>
<p>FWIW, my D attends an all-women’s school (Wellesley). It has its plusses and minuses but it really isn’t girly-high drama the way one might think.</p>
<p>OP: your daughter has the stats for Harvey Mudd anyway. Scripps was just an alternative.
Scripps, Harvey Mudd, McKenna, Pomona, and Pitzer form the Claremont colleges. It’s a little like British or Canadian universities - it’s inspired by Oxford and Cambridge. So, you have 2 graduate schools, one science institute, and 5 colleges that together form what here is called a Consortium and elsewhere may be called a university. So it’s much bigger than a LAC with almost 7,000 students.</p>
<p>Data10: can you please provide the year(s) from which the results were drawn, as well as the definition of a “high stat applicant”?</p>
<p>@MYOS1634
So are they physically next to each other? We’re from California and I’ve heard of them. Now you’ve got me thinking. We’ll definitely do some research and possibly visit. We’re just 2 hours away.</p>
<p>^Definitely worth looking at. Most college consortiums involve taking buses to get to different campuses, but the Concordia group are all contiguous.</p>
<p>Yes, they’re all together on one big campus. Each college has its own space but these spaces are all adjacent to one another. :)</p>
<p>Just to give an update to this thread that I started re. my daughter. We’ll she got her first college acceptance today. She got in early to USC (SoCal) and she’s a finalist for their Presidential scholarship (half tuition). We’re full pay, so if she get’s it, it will help us a LOT. She applied as Computer Science-Physics (joint) major under the Letters/Arts and Sciences (Dornsife) college. The difference between CS-Physics and CS under the school of Engg is under COE, they’re required to have more math and chemistry. CS-Physics have more Physics/Mechanics and Thermodynamics. </p>
<p>She might change her major though to Cognitive Science (computational track) and may minor on CS. </p>
<p>Although, she’s hoping that she’ll be accepted to UCLA. She applied there as CS-Linguistic (computational) major. But USC is a good backup. At this point, it’s a relief that she got accepted to a school that she’s willing to attend and if she gets the half-tuition, then we can afford it.</p>
<p>2018dad congrats! I’ve always thought computational linguistics was really interesting, but my son wasn’t interested. I have no idea what he actually does.</p>
<p>@mathmom
Thanks.
I think I remembered that your son went to CMU for CS and turned down Harvard. So he graduated already?
My daughter fell in love with CS but she also doesn’t want to give up her love for humanities so she want an interdisciplinary of CS/Lib. Arts. Cognitive Science and Computational Linguistics are some of the programs that she’s looking. Let’s see what she ended up doing.</p>
<p>2018dad, yes he graduated in 2011 and has been in his dream job ever since. CMU CS requires a minor and she could certainly do a humanities for her minor if she has applied there.</p>
<p>Many people in the industry think natural language will be the Next Best Thing (let’s not pretend we’re there already with Siri and such) and as such computational linguistics or cognitive science with linguistics is likely to be very useful as well as cutting edge. But for real cool work this is PhD level work.</p>