Homeschooled Teen Gets into Top Ivies, etc.

<p>"In other words, while some of the brightest and most accomplished students are homeschooled, that is not really good evidence that homeschooling is best or appropriate for large numbers of students."</p>

<p>Hunt, I do agree with you on this. And this coming from an advocate both for homeschooling & for gifted education (or, shall I say, educational options for the truly gifted who would do better not simply mainstreamed, at least in TODAY's version of mainstreaming).</p>

<p>Let me just mention that not only is homeschooling not for everyone (and the poster earlier who said she felt "inadequate" I wanted to give a big 'berurah' hug to -- for those of you who know 'the hugger' of whom I speak), I hardly think you're inadequate.</p>

<p>First of all, the most successfully homeschooled students are those with the 4 following features, in abundance:
(1) motivated student + parent(s) ("passionate," or however you name it)
(2) capable student
(3) capable teaching parent(s)
(4) purchasing power, & in that regard, recalling that time, as well as flexible & portable time, = money as well.</p>

<p>No question, as huguenot said, there is much available for the "common man," shall we say. Free stuff? Yes. (Even books with that title.:)) Leveraging legitimate public funds for supplementation, and/or for basic schooling? Yes. (And thank goodness for that.) However, much of what has been posted is not accessible to many middle class families, which is definitely not to criticize this family, merely to provide some perspective.</p>

<p>This family was fortunate enough to have all 4 features in spades. Some families are still able to do well with only 1 or 2 features there (as some other posters have also said). So it's not that money alone should prevent anyone from homeschooling, it's to understand the full equation. For example, as one who has worked professionally in homeschooling, I know families who could have benefited much more from h/schooling if they had had a specialist for an education related need such as LD, for which public funds are not available unless you are in a site school. Conversely, I know families blessed with the top 3 features but not the 4th. Others have had all aspects except #3: those are the families experiencing the greatest disaster when it comes to h/schooling: everyone's motivated but the one in charge can't do the job, & often doesn't get it that he or she isn't doing the job.</p>

<p>What site school does provide is realistic comparisons with a spectrum of age-mates. (Even in expensive boarding schools, one is likely to run into more of a variety of personality types & ability categories, for the simple reason of more frequent, sustained exposure.) It can be very helpful to have the experience & humility to see when you're wrong, or are less accomplished/capable in a particular tiny area than a classmate. I've heard a lot of (non-homeschooled) Ivy & other peer school matriculants express shock at how "small" they feel relative to some of the amazing brains they encounter. It's a real self-concept adjustment, shall we say. Judging one's academic accomplishments <em>in context</em> is a very important aspect of academic maturity, not to mention personal growth. Further, much real <em>academic</em> learning takes place within peer give-and-take, including learning from others who operate in different learning modalities from one's own, from which we can all benefit. </p>

<p>Believe me, anyone who has been on CC more than a few months knows how I rail on about the inadequacies in American public education, but I think it's important to see some of its advantages as well. It's one thing to take community college classes at a young age. From an intellectual perspective, again, I'm thrilled that that's available to middle school & high school students. (From 5th grade in our State.) However, most of the time these are NOT one's peers. Sometimes the younger student is superior in knowledge & capability, sometimes inferior in one respect, but mostly, they are not age-mates & thus do not provide as accurate a "mirror" as some other formats do. Secondly, there is often less class discussion/interaction required in a community college class (being usually more lecture-driven) than in a high school level class.</p>

<p>Finally, while I definitely agree that some families (in both private & public site schools) rely too much on just the AP title, rather than going in depth into a subject, I do not approve of the earlier bashing of private school parents as somehow showing selfishness or abandonment (vs. homeschooling parents). Most of these families lack a key ingredient to homeschool success, the first one being parent capability, the second being freedom to maximize h/schooling to at least the level of opportunity provided by the private school. Most parents of privately schooled students are not entrepreneurs or owners, and of those that are, many of those are leading start-up companies or efforts which require a 60-70 hr. workweek commitment for the first 3 years, and they must do so on-site, not on a laptop. </p>

<p>Again, do NOT misinterpret me and read this as a justification for trolling, misquoting me, etc. It is merely on the subject of homeschooling, since i.m.o. the Trib article was not balanced in some of the ways I refer to here.</p>

<p>Anyway, I'm still waiting to hear about the mysterious NJ incident.</p>

<p>epiphany - google "Blair Hornstine" and "Harvard". Wikipedia has the background story and lots of links, including the story published in the Harvard Crimson announcing the revocation of Miss Hornstine's admission. In <em>no way</em> does Chelsea - a superbright, talented and self-motivated student - resemble Blair, who was pushed her entire life by her father to go to Harvard.</p>

<p>Blair Hornstine had to do with a Morristown Judge "inappropriately using public funds" (from xiggi's post)? I don't think xiggi was comparing Chelsea to Blair Hornstine, btw, nor did I, so I'm not sure of the purpose of your second sentence.</p>

<p>epiphany, I just wanted to be clear that <em>I</em> am not comparing the two students - apologies if you thought I was referring to any other poster, as that was not my intention.</p>

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Blair Hornstine had to do with a Morristown Judge "inappropriately using public funds" (from xiggi's post)?

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<p>I did not recall the name of the town correctly. It should have been Moorestown.</p>

<p>Of course, I did not compare the BH story to anything related to Chelsea. My comments were about "complementing" the public school with paid experiences, or abusing a system to obtain the equivalent of a publicly paid homeschooling system. </p>

<p>FYI, Blair Hornstine was classified with a disability, reportedly a type of chronic fatigue syndrome or immune deficiency,but its exact nature was never disclosed publicly. She received an Individualized Education Plan (IEP) approved by the school board. </p>

<p>Stories that offer many discrepancies in the accounts of Louis Horstine are widely available, including several threads on CC.</p>

<p>There's a Blair Hornstine entry in Wikipedia. She was bounced from Yale for plagiarizing a few student-penned columns, but apparently graduated from St. Andrew's in Scotland in 2006.</p>

<p>And Chelsea is absolutely nothing like Blair Hornstine.</p>

<p>Narcissa is right -- it was Harvard!</p>

<p>Lol it's Harvard not Yale, but all the same.</p>

<p>I know a girl who is remarkably like Blair. She, however, was not bounced from Harvard and will be graduating...soon.</p>

<p>she's damn smart...no colleges can just reject her....like just can't! lol.</p>

<p>thanks for that clarification, xiggi.</p>

<p>I'll have to look into that more. I do know that whatever form of school one is registered in/with (including a non-site public "homeschool" program administered by a state, including registering as a "homeschool site" with one's own residential address) you are not allowed in our State, anyway, to be double-schooled, so to speak. That would be illegal, but is usually caught by one of the 2 schools in question (or a site school + an agency, such as D.O.E.). You are, however, allowed to have an IEP even from your local public district (based on district testing), even if not attending a site school in your district, but just by reason of being a city taxpayer. (You just can't use further district LD or similar resources beyond the testing + IEP, but wealthier folks can naturally pay for such expertise while legitimately homeschooling.)</p>

<p>I'll read more about <em>Moorestown</em>. Thanks!</p>

<p>xiggi, the worst part of the Hornstine incident to me, wasn't the misuse of the public school system to facilitate homeschooling. After all these people pay property taxes, so availing themselves of the system's resources isn't always inappropriate. It is that they were so slimey about it. The medical condition, which if it did exist, so conveniently manifested itself in a way to affect grading always to Blair's benefit. The "created" extracurriculars, the jockeying for val and GPA -- they were not interested in providing the best education for their child; they were padding the resume to the hilt and gaming the system ruthlessly. This family seems like they were the ultimate in cynical "gotta get into HYPS any way I can" attitude. This was "helicoptering",while packing a nuclear arsenal.</p>

<p>"And Chelsea is absolutely nothing like Blair Hornstine."</p>

<p>Why do people keep bringing up this red herring? Hello: Xiggi's post (249, I think it was), said the OPPOSITE. He already profiled the two situations as INCONGRUOUS. Earth to Posters....!</p>

<p>I also agree with broetchen's post 290, particularly this part:
"After all these people pay property taxes, so availing themselves of the system's resources isn't always inappropriate."</p>

<p>Before anyone goes too far on the issue of "appropriate use of public funds" and IEP programs, may I point out that what I wrote was, "Should we not recall the story of Honorable Judge Louis in Morristown, NJ and how he manipulated a public system to pay for a variance of homeschooling for his daughter?" </p>

<p>My comment was not meant to attack the IEP program or criticize people who rightfully benefit from such program. Reading more about the reported circumstances of the Hornstine case will leave few doubts about the cynical approach used by the Hornstine family.</p>

<p>I did understand that xiggi, but thanks for restating. :)</p>

<p>Regarding posts 290 and 291, I'd like to add that I know many families in my home schooling experience who partner with their local public schools to provide some portion of their child's education. I know many people whose children attend their local school to learn one or more subjects this way. It is generally a quite doable thing, and can be a very positive arrangement if the classes are good. Science comes to my mind as the most difficult thing for many home schoolers to provide (I know it was my biggest academic challenge) and so is a natural fit for this type of arrangement. </p>

<p>This can also be helpful for parents who need or want to work and still home school their children. School districts will vary in how cooperative they choose to be (often affects whether your child can participate in athletics or music), but I think they must make at least some options available to anyone in their district because they are publicly funded. It's also one way to make home schooling more affordable. </p>

<p>I do know several people for whom this sort of situation has worked really well. I know quite a few families that have had good experiences getting services for their children's learning differences, playing sports (great opportunity for social development and teamwork), playing in music ensembles, or just providing instruction in subjects a parent may feel less qualified to teach (especially in the early days). We never used our local schools, except as testing centers, but some part-time affiliation with them can sometimes be a positive thing for everyone. Many schools actually welcome these kinds of relationships because they can get more funding for another pupil this way, with less cost, and they are generally happy to include home schoolers' test scores in their school's stats.</p>

<p>ditto epiphany's #293</p>

<p>Post 294 reminds of a key element I had forgotten to include in my long recent post, but had meant to:</p>

<p>For awhile now, I have thought that the best form of education for many families (not all), is a hybrid one: site for part of the school day; independent study, or parent-guided study, or off-site study, for the rest of the day. Alternatively, some have suggested part of the school <em>week</em> in an age-similar site, part of the week away. We have 2 schools in 1 nearby district which feature a 4-day off-site + 1 day "on-site" week. That day is devoted to science labs, foreign language oral instruction, advisories to adjust the program & get some professional, objective assessment of the student's progress, and to engage in performing opportunities with a core group of peers. So far it has worked well, but the district is a wealthy one, I want to add. It is considered one of the premium districts in my State. Other districts do not have that luxury, even though the family demand is there.</p>

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<p>Sadly, this could also work in the opposite direction. Thanks to No Child Left Behind, there are school districts that have an incentive to push some of their low performing students out of school and into homeschooling even though their parents have no desire or confidence in their ability to homeschool their children. (Google "pushout" and homeschooling to see discussions of this problem in various places.)</p>

<p>On a more positive note, there are homeschooled students who volunteer (e.g., as enrichment mentors) in the public schools.</p>

<p>That would be my ideal -- part-time public school with enough time left in the day week to pursue some classical homeschooling and cover things not in the school curriculum or go indepth. </p>

<p>I have that right now with my daughter's 1/2 day kindergarten and it's perfect. Large group socialization, dealing w/teachers who aren't parents yet plenty of time to do other academic and fun things. The problem I see with attempting to combine full-day public w/homeschooling supplement is that the kids are so exhausted when they get home (& dulled by rote teaching, at times) that no one wants to step back into learning again.</p>

<p>Hopefully more schools would be open to such plans....</p>

<p>In Illinois, home school children are entitled to use public school offerings on an "ala carte" basis, provided there is room. I am glad this is happening in Evanston and environs.
The home school group in my neighborhood is mostly made of African-Americans who know the southside Chicago Public Schools all too well and haven't tried to avail themselves of this option. I also wonder about the reception from school personnel.
A school social worker did ask me to help out a family (not yet home schoolers) at a school conference, so it is possible the local schools may be a better resource than many of us think.</p>

<p>epiphany, my home school support group has created something like you are describing in the "4 offsite + 1 onsite" model. We meet on Fridays at a local church that lets us take up most of their wonderful space, where we run classes from 9-2 for 5-18 year olds. Some of our classes are taught by a parent, some are organized by a parent with an outside teacher, and many are cooperatively taught by the parents of the children taking them. We have about 35 families participating. Each family pays a fairly minimal space fee to the church and the cost of any classes their kids take that have outside teachers. Parents teach for free, and so many do that it's quite affordable, especially for the huge benefits many kids get out of this arrangement. Parents also contribute labor towards making the whole arrangement run smoothly. </p>

<p>We have science classes and labs, foreign language, history and government, art, music, dance, improv, chess, creative writing - wonderful choices for all ages. Kids play at lunch, or perform for everyone, or demonstrate science projects. We are having an election this week. Four political parties have been campaigning for weeks, with a primary, debates, campaign literature and websites. </p>

<p>The type of model epiphany is describing can be a great help to many home schoolers and fills a variety of needs.</p>