How are my EC's???

<p>10th grade
GPA: 4.0
Class Rank: 1 of 340
Sex: Male</p>

<p>Courses:
AP American History II
Honors Advance Algebra II
Honors Biology
Honors Literature
Concert Choir (Highest level choir in school)
Concert Orchestra (highest level orchestra in school and will sit 1st chair as a senior)</p>

<p>EC's:
2 years of youth leadership (50+ hours of community hours), Student council VP and soon to be president, mocktrial team lawyer (hard to get this position as a sophomore) and most likely going to be team captain next year, JV tennis player, Knowledge bowl, drama club member (received many lead roles in musicals the past two years), Austin Symphony (Very elite city symphony made up of the best musicians around Southern Minnesota), Austinaires (Elite singing group through my school. A sophomore makes the group on average every six years. Performs over 50 concerts throughout the city every year and we sing the national anthem at a Timberwolves game and a Twins game), Choir Council (elected Treasure of all of my schools choirs), member of concert chamber orchestra, I am in a private string quartet (consists of three elite players from my school. We perform for many weddings, funerals, etc), conducted concert orchestra at a concert as a freshmen, performed in "Mike Veldman and Friends" (show put on by four people that raises on average $50,000 for a local historical theater), attended a one week advance string camp in Wisconsin, competing in this years science fair (good chances of going to state and farther. I am working with the Hormel Science Institution and the University of Minnesota's science department in microbiology), Red Cross board member for my city (made up of all adults besides me), may be traveling to summer program at Cambridge England, soon to be a personal assistant (will be assisting one of the top joint surgeons in the country at probably the best hospital in the world, Mayo Clinic), I will be shadowing a doctor in Dallas TX for a week (the doctor is an expert in infectious disease, a professor at Southwestern Medical School, and the top doctor working on the bird flu cure), 6 years of private violin lessons, 4 years of private voice lessons, 3 years of private piano lessons, I canter at my church often, competing in musical listening contest (expecting good results), and that is pretty much all that I can think of at the moment.</p>

<p>I just would like advice on where I need improvement.</p>

<p>Let me ask you the question that colleges will be asking as they look at your application: Have you found at least one activity outside of the classroom that you truly love doing, just for the sake of doing it? Would you do that activity - or any of the activities you've listed - even if it didn't help you get into college? Could you tell someone you don't know why you enjoy that activity, and make them feel the same sense of excitement you have about it when you talk about it?</p>

<p>If the answer is yes, then your EC's are fine. If the answer is no, then the length and specifics of your EC list doesn't really matter.</p>

<p>This is an outstanding comment. I hope the student hears you.</p>

<p>Can we ever convince the utes that ECs are reflections of who you are and not tickets to punch? I guess as long as they perceive a college admission as a reward, they will continue to manage the system to achieve that goal. I love the idea of looking for a college to fit the student but that would be a minority opinion among most of the utes and a fair number of the adults on CC.</p>

<p>I second carolyn's comment. </p>

<p>On a fairly unrelated note, it doesn't look like you're taking any foreign language in school. Colleges really do like to see foreign language (and some require it).</p>

<p>My eyes glaze over when I see this many ECs. I think you should organize by category so it's clear you just have a few that run deep. I also wonder about languages.</p>

<p>Though, basically, it seems to me you're doing a great job, when I see this much, I think, "How is this possible?".</p>

<p>I second what bethievt says -- how is it all possible?</p>

<p>When I add up what is required for school (8 hours a day with transportation), plus at least a little homework -- where do you find the time for all the EC's? They seem time consuming. the concerts, practices, musical practices. If I were a college, I would question the EC's.</p>

<p>You seem to have a passion for music -- you EC's demonstrate that. Do you also have a passion for medicine?</p>

<p>On the one hand, I can't understand why you need to ask "how are my EC's?" You obviously are committed to several things and have achievements in them all. Like others have said, if you have to ask, it comes across as doing EC's to "look good" for college. But if you are doing these things for the sheer passion and you would do them even if you never went to college, then it will show. </p>

<p>As far as others asking how is this all possible.....I understand how it is possible and I also understand a student who has more then one singular passion. I have a kid a bit like this kid. Like the OP, my D also was val, had a perfect GPA, took the hardest courses available and then some. She was involved in several ECs, all of which she loved to the core and all of which she had been involved in her entire life. Yes, it was, and continues to be, a very busy life, but out of choice. None of her ECs were with the intention to look good for college. She'd have chosen to do them all even if she never went to college and has chosen to continue what she can now that she is in college, where nothing is at stake when it comes to ECs looking good. The only difference I can see between her and the OP is that I never heard her ask how her EC's looked for college, let alone her stats or anything like that. But like the OP, she juggled many things. She was in three varsity sports, two instruments (privately and school concert band, jazz band, select wind ensemble), student government where she led two major policy initiatives for her school, an outside of school sport training/racing program, several dance classes at a studio far away, independent study in her field of interest, community service, part time job, etc. She had achievements in all those areas as well. The time commitments were huge, every afternoon, evening, and weekend. On top of loads of homework and obviously straight As. Some kids are driven. Some kids have more than one passion. She is the very "well rounded" sort of person. So, yes, it is possible. It appears that the OP is heavily involved in instrumental music, voice, and musical theater, student government and science research. Frankly, many of the kids my D knows even now at a top college are kids who not only exceed in academic pursuits but are significantly engaged in ECs. Some have a singular passion but others have several passions. My D always had one foot in the performing arts (instrumental music, dance, musical theater) and one in sports (three varsity ones) and then other things like government, let alone her academic endeavors. So, some kids do juggle many things out of choice and love of those things. My kid even wrote a college essay about her well roundedness and her many "sides". </p>

<p>So, for the OP, I'm not sure why you have a need to ask about your ECs or your record. If you are doing these things because you want to, it will show. Just do what you love and do it well. If you lead a hectic life because you could not imagine yourself doing otherwise, that's cool. If you are doing it all to get into college, that's not necessary. </p>

<p>Both of my kids were heavily involved in ECs in high school and both are very heavily involved in them in college. So, they didn't do them to get into college and in fact, continue to be involved morning, noon and night in them, and every weekend, along with challenging academics at demanding colleges. Some people can't imagine it any other way and CHOOSE to do these things because they want to. How my kids manage to keep this pace going, I'll never know but they are young and seem to be as happy as can be. So, for the OP, if you are happy doing these things, keep at it. If you are doing them to get to the next thing (college), you do not HAVE to do all that. But stick with your passions if they are indeed your passions. It sounds like performing arts, science and student government are things you enjoy. Do you really need to ask how your EC's are? Did you really think they were not too good? I can't imagine that. I don't know why you need to ask. I guess I am relieved that you are not asking if your rank and GPA are OK :D. As the song goes, "if you're happy and you know it, clap your hands..." Are you happy doing these things? If so, clap clap clap! If not, cut out what you do not enjoy.</p>

<p>I'll be honest. Knowing how much time a single passion takes (and it really does take every day, including the weekend), I have no idea how any kid can possibly have more than one. And I mean this sincerely. I live with the kid driven by one passion, and it takes every minute of his life, with no room to be well rounded in any other area.</p>

<p>For example, a team sport requires an every day after school commitment, plus weekend games. At least in our school, that would preclude participation in musical theater, ensemble music, debate, etc. In fact, debate also requires every weekend, which means that a student couldn't do sports games, etc. </p>

<p>The kids I see who are in both sports and music, for example, can do neither at a passionately high level, since they are juggling participation in both, and missing some practices for one or the other (and usually making the coach or director mad).</p>

<p>If kids can manage both at such a high level, they must live in a world of 30 hour days. :)</p>

<p>Allmusic, I do get your point. By the way, I have another kid who gave up all of her sports (she did a few for many years including soccer, ski racing, figure skating) by middle school to devote herself to one area of passion (though several areas within it), Performing Arts. Both my kids' schedules were as heavy as one another every afternoon, night and weekend. One was engaged in more areas than the other. The one doing Performing arts, however, was engaged in a similarly large number of activities within that area, as the one doing several different areas. The one with the singular passion is pursuing it as a college major and career, much like I think one of your kids is doing with music. The who had several different EC passions, has these as EC interests, not career interests. My daughter who chose to keep with the well rounded path with several areas of passion that she is heavily engaged in and has achieved in since a young age, is not doing any of these field as a college major or career but as strong extracurricular passions. She is going into architecture as a college major/career, which is not related to her EC passions. </p>

<p>Yes, this D, but frankly this is true fo the D with the many activities in the performing arts as well, had schedule conflicts. She just worked them out as best as possible to do these areas of passion. For instance, all her in school student government work involved meetings many mornings each week BEFORE school quite early. Other work she did for it was independent. Every afternoon, as well as often into the early evening, she had varsity sports practices (three sports teams, one in each season) and sometimes game/matches during the week. In the evenings, she'd go straight from those events to either dance classes or piano lessons. All of these things were very spread out in our rural state by the way with a lot of travel time. She did concert band (clarinet) and jazz band (piano) during the school day. She had wind ensemble after school and when she could she made it and sometimes she could not. She took private clarinet lessons during the school day with the teacher coming into the HS to meet with her or my D driving over to her house once she drove. On weekends, she had games/matches for her sports but particularly in winter, she had them ALL day Sat. and Sunday far away because she raced on both the HS Varsity team AND trained in a private ski racing program and raced on the USSA circuit too. One year she also coached a grade 5/6 soccer team. For two years, she was a dinner server at a country inn on Sat. nights. She also tended to work 3-5 hours per night on homework once she got home mid evening (usually by 8:30 but later some nights), and worked about 10 hours on weekends on homework. I'd say she was busy from early AM til very late at night, out of choice. To get straight A's in the most demanding curriculum was not such an easy feat in itself. In terms of schedule conflicts, while these were a fact of life for her, she made one EC decision over that matter. She had played softball from the time she was six through JV in ninth grade and had intended to play Varsity softball. However, the softball coach would not allow her to attend All States in Music or her annual dance recitals, but the tennis team (same season: spring)'s coach was very supportive of my D and would allow her to miss to be in such a big thing as All States in music or the annual dance performance (outside of school). Thus, my D switched her spring sport after ninth grade to tennis, a sport she played well and in fact, became the number one seeded singles player the day she joined the varsity squad in tenth (the coach said he was glad she "defected" to his team). She also had to give up being in the school musicals, though she had done musicals her whole life but she rectified that in that she went to a performing arts camp where she was in musicals in summers. </p>

<p>One thing when a kid opts to pursue several passions, rather than one, is that it pretty much precludes becoming TOPS in any of these endeavors. By "tops" I mean on a national scale. That was OK with this D. However, even with several passions and pursuits that were and continue to be lifelong, she still was able to achieve at a very decent level such as All States in Music (clarinet), doing National Piano Auditions each year, being in state level championships in her sports. Now, in one of her sports, a very deep passion, ski racing, she competes at the collegiate varsity level and has done quite well regionally on the college level and placed 16th in an event at National Collegiate Championships last year. But to be the tops in any of these fields.....example, ski racing...she'd have had to do just ONE thing....for ski racing, it would have meant she'd have had to attend a ski academy, not public school. For instrumental music, she'd have had to go to summer programs in music and also been in our state youth symphony like some friends were, but that conflicted with her sports on weekends. For tennis, she'd have had to play year round to be seeded regionally and nationally, but she did well at the state level as a HS athlete. So, she achieved in her ECs at a pretty high level but could not at a national level unless she had chosen to focus and train year round in just ONE thing. But that was more than OK to her. She loved each pursuit, and would not wish to give any of them up. Other D has focused on just one main area and thus has achieved similarly and a bit more nationally than her sister but her field is also her field of study and her career. </p>

<p>So, different strokes for different folks. There are advantages to pursuing one singular passion and other plusses in pursuing a well rounded path. I have kids doing both these paths and one doesn't seem more advantageous to me than the other. Both involve similar commitments and amounts of time. Each path happens to fit each of my kids and I understand fully the choices they have made. I gather the colleges that accepted them also understood that they loved what they were doing, be it several areas of passion, or just one. The motivation, commitment, devotion, leadership, and achievements existed in either path. </p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>Susan, with all due respect, and I do mean that, I cannot for the life of me imagine how the second D you describe managed. I am exhausted just reading her schedule, and I didn't live it! </p>

<p>I don't know when in there she found time to do her practicing (two instruments, no less, which my son has, and the time required to take lessons in, and practice two is huge!), to practice her ski racing (weekends?), to go to tennis tournaments or other sports events, much less volunteer....and to take a full academic load and get straight A's. Hats off to her...she must be incredible.</p>

<p>As I said, I only know the commitments my S has from in school bands and orchestra, two jazz ensembles, pit band, pep band, rock band, vocal group, various accompaniment and other gigs, lessons, practice and teaching in his own studio, and full day Saturday music school, and it leaves not a minute to spare for another acitivity, and that really is not a minute (except a bit of homework and a bit of sleep LOL!). </p>

<p>We have known other kids who have had to give up everything else in order to pursue one passion at a high level. This is why your daughter is all the more amazing to me. Congrats to her. She will probably do great things in her life if she can already juggle that much.</p>

<p>But to get back to the original poster, I think reading about all those activities also makes me exhausted (and amazed), and even if you really pursue them all with equal fervor, I would try to highlight the most meaningful ones, and even have your participation in those be more pronounced.</p>

<p>Allmusic, but you see, the hours D1 (the well rounded one) put in (numerous hours daily, nightly, and on weekends) was no different than her sister who was in (and continues to be in during college) a myriad of performing arts activities. Both their schedules and commitments were EXTREMELY full in HS and in College. It made no difference that one had several passions full throttle and the other had one singular one (with a myriad of sub activities). Their lifestyles are similar. I don't think you wanna hear D2 (the Musical Theater kid)'s schedule right now even in college...all day, all night, seven days per week scheduled up. I don't know how she does it. But she LOVES what she is doing. So, I don't know if you are counting up the number of activities or just what, but the hours involved whether the activities were very varied or the hours involved if they were on several aspects of the arts, were similar. The homework loads were heavy too. </p>

<p>Yes, D2 gave up several long term activities to pursue one passion and D1 kept at all her passions all the way through. To be at the very top in one area of passion, usually means giving up the other areas. D1 did not wish to do that. Despite that, she achieved pretty highly in each EC pursuit but as I said before, could never be TOPS on a national scale in any of those EC pursuits because in order to do so, she'd have had to focus on one area more exclusively as her sister has chosen to do. She didn't care about being tops on a national scale. She exceled quite well on a state level in her areas of interest and these areas of interest are lifelong but are NOT her college major or career, like is the case with D2 and I think is the case with your son who is pursuing music. So, she did not have to be the TOPS in these fields as they are interests, but not her academic or career field of interest. She is going into architecture which in itself now in college is time heavy! So, yes, she juggled a lot but really no different than your musically inclined son or my performing arts D time wise. It is just that she was engaged in a wider variety of activities, each with big commitments and D2 is in many activities with big commitments but they all relate unlike D1's EC interests which fall under a few categories such as the arts and sports. D1's activity resume for college admissions did categorize her ECs under headings. In her case, the main activity headings were Athletics, Performing Arts, and School Leadership (not counting Community Service and Work Experience). But as far as time goes, both my well rounded EC kid and my one-focus EC kid were out every afternoon, evening and weekend in pursuit of their EC activities which were passions that began at a young age. </p>

<p>So, I don't personally think it matters if one is devoted strongly to one single passion or a few passions. That is my take on it anyway. While both pursue what they love to do for the sake of doing it, I can say upon reflection now that they are in college, that the college admissions process went well for both and each is at a school that fits her and where she is continuing on a similar path with her passions. One is at an academically demanding university with a liberal arts degree in architectural studies and still does ECs there but can't do as many different ones at the college level (just one of her varsity teams alone there requires travel all weekend every weekend for a few months) and the other is in a specialized degree program that is very demanding (BFA in musical theater) and her EC load is HUGE in terms of hours, but all of these EC pursuits at college relate to her academic/career field.</p>

<p>Thanks everyone! If you were wondering, I do enjoy everything I do. I love music, especially classical. I also love being busy. It is kind of unusual perhaps. I have just heard from a few people that there are specific EC's colleges like and a few they dislike. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't making some huge mistake that would totally ruin me after high school. Thanks again.</p>

<p>Rybread,
That is why I phrased my question the way I did: What colleges want to see is that you do what you do - whatever it is - because you truly enjoy it, not because it is the "right" EC to get into college or because your parents think it is the "right" thing to boost your college admissions chances. As long as that is the case, and you can adequately convey that to someone who doesn't know you, there is no such thing as a "right" or "wrong" EC (or EC's). Be yourself, and let your EC's stem from that, and all will be well. That is what colleges really mean when they say they look for "passion." Good luck!
Carolyn</p>

<p>PS, there is also no "right" number of EC's. If you do one thing or twenty, what matters is that you can honestly say that what you do is done because it makes you you, not because it makes you a better college applicant. Some kids, like yourself, can handle multiple commitments well. But kids who can't, or who choose to do otherwise, are no more or less qualified to apply to college as long as they do what they do out of true enjoyment, not an attempt to score admissions points. As you go into your junior and senior years, and your academic demands increase, you may find it necessary to cut back on one or more of your commitments. That is perfectly fine too -- just trust your own instinct, and be true to yourself. That is, ultimately, all that matters, regardless of where you will go to college.</p>