<p>Hi everyone, so I was just wondering how competitive these subject test scores are for Dartmouth ED. I decided to switch from Columbia ED to Dartmouth ED (long story LOL), and I want to get an idea of where I stand.
So far my scores are
770-US History
710-Bio E
released on October 29-Math 2 (expecting 700 or higher).
I have a 32 on the ACT, which I know isn't particularly high for Dartmouth, but I think I can score 2250+ on the November SAT).
Also, I don't know if this makes a difference but my AP scores are:
5-Biology
5-Euro
5-US History
5-Comp Gov.
4-Human Geo
4-English Lang.
Thanks!</p>
<p>I’m also doing ED Dartmouth. For a comparison of scores:
SAT: 2230 (Just retook October, waiting to see scores)
ACT: 32 (Retaking this Saturday)
SAT IIs:
Bio E - 740
Math Level 1 - 760
Math Level 2 - 800
Chemistry - 800
Physics - 800
3.93 unweighted GPA (6 AP’s already taken, rest are honors; most rigorous)
I think these are along the same line as yours. The Math level 2 is a good curve and you probably got 780+. Our SATs in the end will probably be about the same considering the similar ACT score. Other kids applying to Dartmouth, but not ED have about 2200-2350 on the SATs, 3.9+ GPA, and 750+ on at least one SAT II.
I don’t how you would switch from the most metropolis Ivy to the most secluded Ivy, but I guess you thought it through. Wish you the best of luck.</p>
<p>Thanks! and yeah I hope I score well on Math 2, but I am REALLY bad at math (my only B if you don’t count my 1 stupid B freshman year is pre calc Honors and thats not even a true high level math class). I am pretty sure my score will be around 700-750 at the most. I may be able to score 2300+ on the SAT and I will be shooting for that score. The only problem is if I wait for regular decision I will be able to score 800 on world history in december as history is by far my best subject. (which is odd because I am more involved in science related activities at my school, again long story). </p>
<p>Could an 800 and maybe like a 780 on lit. help or should I just send in these scores if I get deferred? Will my high AP scores somewhat offset my somewhat low SAT subject test scores?
Thanks!</p>
<p>I wouldn’t say your SAT IIs are low. It is true that you would like a few more 750+, but I don’t think that matters. You did get a 5 on the AP Bio, which doesn’t compensate for the 710, but shows that you are still strong in biology. Your US History SAT II is pretty solid. I know that some admissions officers say that SAT IIs are looked at first because they give a better idea of how a student will perform in college. The regular SAT score is almost useless because some kids study for more than a year in advance and some don’t even prepare at all. The SAT IIs are more like college in that you take a course, study a bit and then take an exam. I would say, try to take the december SAT II. Regardless, if you think Dartmouth is your top choice, go ED. If it doesn’t work out, or you get deferred you will be able to send your scores from the December SAT IIs and all of your RD schools will see them. I never heard that AP scores are a large part of the admissions process because a high 5 can be very different from a low 5 and you can’t tell much about the score. SAT IIs show if you are really in the top few percent by score close to 800. Dartmouth is also very much a liberal arts college (although it is a University) and you look good since you are pretty strong across all areas. I, on the other hand, am very focused on math and science (hence the SAT IIs), and am not that strong in the humanities. I loved Dartmouth for the amazing student body and area (I love the mountains). I also have 2 B’s throughout high school; I got a B in AP World and AP Euro. Still, I think it comes down to more than numbers. Dartmouth was accused of being a very “white” and homogenous college. Since then, Dartmouth seems to have taken affirmative action much further. In addition, I think your accomplishments tell the school how much you can contribute to campus. Good luck man.</p>
<p>^Please do some research, your post is so full of misinformation and lack of understanding of the process, it would take to long to correct.</p>
<p>to TreeHugger10:</p>
<p>While I do agree that SAT IIs are important, I do not believe that they are weighted more then SATs and I also believe that AP scores count for more then adcoms say they do. I think the only difference with AP scores is that sorta low exams won’t hurt you but sorta low sat IIs/sats might. For example Student A scores 5,5,5,4 and student B scores 4,4,4,4. These scores won’t be seen as much different because adcoms have no way of knowing how close these scores are or who graded the exams (ap exams have one reader, sat essays have two). However, if student C scores 2,3,3,2 then this student’s AP scores would put him at a disadvantage at top schools. </p>
<p>I agree that early decision is the best option because it shows interest and getting deferred means I can still take the sat/sat IIs. Thanks for the advice :)</p>
<p>I didn’t say that all colleges see SAT IIs as more important. When I was at info session at an Ivy League University (not Dartmouth), the admissions officer said that they felt SAT IIs were more important. It is true, I did not here the same from other’s, but it was worth pointing out. I mean, when it comes down to it, admission depends on your entire application, including SAT/SAT II scores, AP scores, GPA, activities, awards, how you stand out, etc. In my last post, I was restating information I heard from one admissions officer. I guess you could call that improper induction, but I also wouldn’t call it completely full of misinformation and lack of understanding.</p>
<p>Although I graduated from an Ivy some time ago, I will say that no one applying to college should worry that much about scores and GPA. It really comes down to whether the school is a good fit. Period. A student can look great with scores and GPA, and of course these are somewhat of a predictor of success in college. However, I got into an Ivy with NO AP courses, a crappy SAT score (comparatively speaking), and didn’t even graduate from high school with honors. My advice is to show the admissions panel who you are and why attending Dartmouth is right for you, and therefore right for them. It’s not just a numbers game. They want you to FINISH college, not just get accepted. That means that it has to be a good fit. Try not to make yourself crazy about the tests and grades. Just do your best and make sure you think really hard about what you want to do in the future. If you don’t know, then choose a liberal arts school. There are TONS of them, and undoubtedly, if Dartmouth doesn’t accept you, another great school will. No matter where you end up, you’ll hopefully have a great time and get a stellar education. Good luck!</p>
<p>@IvyLongShot: That advice is very kind and all, but not really that helpful for someone who wants to get into Dartmouth. Maybe you had success without worrying about it, but the “LongShot” in your name pretty much says it all. The vast majority of such applicants won’t get so lucky.</p>