<p>I actually think he is guaranteed an interview with a real adcom -- and not a lowly alum ;) -- as a legacy if he requests one early enough.</p>
<p>Well, that weighting is standard. Your grades hurt, sophmore year you got no A's in core classes-ouch. Junior year is a big improvement (and around average for the ED admit) considering your competitive schedule. Ehh....I won't try to say that you have a great chance....that would be lying. HOWEVER, I still maintain that if you get 2250+ on the SAT, you will probably get in. Get a 2350+ I'd bet my application next year to Columbia on your acceptance. Again junior year is good except for that C in physics considering you're going to go SEAS. I'm rooting for you man! And just like junelay, I want to justify my chances for you. So....go SAT tutor crazy, not kidding, beast the SAT. DESTROY IT. As for SAT II's, good job. And when you say "I did well" that means 750+, you need to validate your GPA man! This summer is going to be a working summer, got it? That means study your ass of for SATs (I think ive repeated this a million times) and even learning ahead what you will have in class next year. Thus you can come to class knowing the first topics and that will "inflate" your first semester grades. Again, you have a decent shot if you can up the SAT and your grades. In your current state, chances are slim. Get a 2250+, you're suddenly golden. Also, you have what people like to call an upward trend, however it won't help so much when dealing with people who have had solid grades throughout. Good luck and prove all the naysayers! (As long as you don't take my spot ;))</p>
<p>Also, I can see you are good at computer science and have a passion. You may want to consider doing something SPECTACULAR over the summer with this. Furthermore upping your chances. The way I see it there are a few basic factors for admission. Here they are :Rigor of courseload (30%) SAT+SATII (25%) GPA+Class Rank (20%) Essays (15%) "Hooks"+ECs (10%) I think you have the rigor down pat immensely and you have good hooks and good ECs. There it is, 40% of the game. Get as much of the other 60% to gain admission.</p>
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<p>this is the biggest piece of monkey crap garbage i've ever seen posted here.....you ARE joking right?</p>
<p>and guys, its nice to be encouraging and all but lets not go overboard like this: </p>
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<p>2350+ on the SAT means jack *****....do you know how many people with perfect or near perfect SATs apply to columbia? ALOT...probably enough to fill 4 classes but of course ALOT of them get rejected because college admissions is about the total package and if you dont have that then u'll get rejected....i think that is what Denzera C02 and I have been saying for a long time</p>
<p>Ha on that 2350+ comment.
Not even a 2400 will guarantee his chances.
Frankly, you probably won't get in, but it's worth applying.</p>
<p>I just looked through your unweighted grades, and unless your father is planning on donating a couple mil, there's no way you're getting in.
The Adcomms just can't justify taking a C student with an 1800/1900 when they reject countless A students with 2300/2400's every year.</p>
<p>Hehe, a lot of people seem to think that you can just flip a switch and go from an 1800 to a 2250-2350. I am pretty sure if it it could be done many more would do so.</p>
<p>Ask yourself this, how many people get a 2350+ on the SAT? That is only about 1500 kids. So Columbia can't "fill 4 classes" of kids from that bracket. Ok, I agree the equation for admission was an oversimplified example. However, if he applies early and has a 2350+ SAT, brings his UW up to around lets say a 3.2, he would certainly be in the running.</p>
<p>i think there are a lot more than 1500 kids with 2350+</p>
<p>1590 to be exact in 2006. If we assume it won't change much, Shraf's claim of filling 4 classes over with 2350+ scorers is bull. There are only about 315 SEAS freshman and 1022 CC freshman. So they could roughly fill a class and a bit with 2350+ scorers. Also, the guys ECs are unique and he's legacy. I still stand by the claim that if he applies early with 2350+ he'll most likely get in.</p>
<p>Also, he's not a C student he only got 3 C's. I mean the grades aren't stellar, or even that impressive. I'll agree. But one should see that if he does a lot of ECs and runs two businesses, then Columbia might give him a break.</p>
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<p>actually fredfredburger is right...there were 1590 kids with 2350+ ...but if u look at 2300+ that number jumps to about 4800....granted my comment was an exaggeration the point still stands....schools can care less if you do well on a standardized test if you dont have grades, ECs, recs, and passion to back it up....not to mention that it really is VERY hard to go up 500 points on the SAT!</p>
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<p>Thats 3 more than most people who get into columbia. Grades and academic rigor r the two most important factors in admissions....its not something that can be overlooked.</p>
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<p>no, absolutely not...first of all i still think the two businesses thing is more BS than it sounds....besides, columbia wants people who can do ALOT while still being able to master their schoolwork....thats how things go here, you are running around all day doing various activities and yet you should still be maintaining a stellar GPA....if you cant do that in HS they arent gonna give you a break thinking you'll be able to do it in a very competitive college.</p>
<p>I agree, it is going to be an ardous task raising his score 500 points. The C thing, I know a few kids who got in with a C or two. Granted 3 is extremely high. Assuming his two businesses are legit (raking in 10k+ per year) and actually do require lots of time, that is more than most kids admitted to Columbia or anyother college in the world can say. Thus, I think they will give him more leeway than a kid who only does the "standard" ECs that most kids admitted to Columbia perform. I agree, his GPA is not great and will hurt..however if those ECs are legit....that is unique.</p>
<p>Also, you are forgetting that kids with legacy who apply ED have a huge leg up in the admissions game.</p>
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<p>no i'm not forgetting, u just think its more of a boost than it actually is. I know several legacies who got in ED and they all have stellar numbers....being a legacy isnt a free pass....they still expect you to be very very competitive....the legacy status will just take away some of the randomness once you have proven (through grades, SATs etc) that you belong at columbia.</p>
<p>FredFredBurger...you're forgetting that C's are absolutely the toughest thing to get over in getting into a top school. I know kids with 2300+'s, stellar EC's and mostly good grades, but a few C's in their weaker areas that have gotten totally screwed out of most top 30 schools.</p>
<p>And a C in PHYSICS...JUNIOR YEAR?!?!?!?!
I'm sorry, mikesown. The adcomm just won't look past that. You're not getting in. And B's in math/science courses...even your B's will be hard to look past, let alone C's.</p>
<p>Basically, you're not getting in. I wouldn't even bother filling out the application.</p>
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<p>well i would never go that far in my advice though i do agree that your chances r very slim.</p>
<p>OK, I took a hard look at his grades-his chances aren't great, I'll conceed. However, I think an 800 in physics C would mitigate the C/C+. Basically, if you want to get in, you're gonna have to do a 180. Like all those classes you got B's and C's in, get 750+ on the SAT II. I know some people will jump on my throat saying that SAT's aren't the panacea for stuff like this, but clearly the school would know he is pretty proficient in a subject area to get 750+. As of now, if he doesn't change, I agree, he can pretty much forget Columbia. But basically, take a SAT II in Spanish, Math, and Physics. Get 750+ in all 3. That will mitigate (in part) lowish grades. And then, it's up to you, to tell the school why you got those low grades...I don't care make something up if you must....</p>
<p>No they wouldn't Fred. Grades that account for performance over an entire school year are much more useful to college admissions than a one time score in a 2 hour sitting.</p>