<p>As I catch up on the hundreds of posts since I last looked in here I am struck by a couple of questions.</p>
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<li><p>Who is Jewish? People who attend temple regularly? Those with a Jewish mom? Those who had a single Jewish descendant? Those with a kinda-Jewish-sounding last name? Dumb.</p></li>
<li><p>Are people from India considered to be Asian in CA terms?</p></li>
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<p>Roll over it. Seems some super users have a way to make snarly comments. </p>
<p>Funny</p>
<p>OHMomof2:</p>
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<li><p>Anyone who says yes when asked the question “Are you Jewish?” is Jewish.</p></li>
<li><p>Yes.</p></li>
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<p>My son has a great grandmother who was a registered member of the Daughters of the American Revolution. Should he have worked this into his essays somewhere? Shouldn’t there be a special checkbox for under-represented WASPs? ;)</p>
<p>When I was young, I would have people (most of the time a White person) say to me, “You must be really smart” (because you are Asian).
I would say, “Yup, and we all look alike too.”</p>
<p>Ah, OK Marian. </p>
<p>Then I call b*%$#it on the OP’s article and anyone who thinks they know how many Jewish people are at Harvard :D</p>
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<p>Well, you have to excuse my poor English that I picked up while an adult.</p>
<p>"You have to favor someone. Even if you’re choosing someone with a GPA of 4.0 over one with a 3.0, you are favoring someone. "</p>
<p>Well if you look a the Ivy’s self reported stats they are choosing a not insignificant number of people in SAT sections 500-599.</p>
<p>^ OMG how can those 500-599s even fill out the application? HORRORS.</p>
<p>argbagy, let us know which college.
Harvard:
25th percentile: cr 690, m 700, w 690
A whopping total of 1.81% scored under 600 for math, about 4% for cr, and about 3% for w. </p>
<p>Of roughly 1660 freshmen, 4% = 66 kids.</p>
<p>Also note that 91.5% had gpas 3.75+.</p>
<p>Each class at Harvard has approximately 1660 students. </p>
<p>Per the Common Data Set (2011-12):</p>
<p>4% (60 to 70) of the incoming first year students (enrolled) at Harvard had SAT scores in reading below 600; </p>
<p>over 12% had ACT scores in reading between 24 and 29 (180 to 200 students);</p>
<p>about 16% had ACT scores in math between 24 and 29 (around 240 to 270 students); </p>
<p>around 4% had unweighted GPA’s less than 3.5. </p>
<p>Want to bet how many American Asians fall into any of those categories?</p>
<p>Ahh, but 90% submtted SATs and 32% ACT.</p>
<p>1493 and 539.
So, we can adjust: SAT 4% = 60 kids.
ACT 16% = 86</p>
<p>What we can’t know is, for kids submitting both, who was exceptional in one vs the other.</p>
<p>12 kids had gpa 3.0-3.24. 78 had gpa 3.25-3.74.</p>
<p>Yes, but by Ivy’s own testimony they passed over a lot of valedictorians with perfect SAT scores to pick those 100+ kids with mediocre scores. </p>
<p>Tell me, what should have those 100 kids done that were tested found lacking? Who was ahead of them in class rank? Who was ahead of them in SAT? Who had better EC? What could they have actually done to improve their ‘vitality’?</p>
<p>The whole discussion is that what counts is more than stats. Being val or having an 800 is not enough. If you haven’t had a chance, you might find it interesting to look at the CDS or other sources.</p>
<p>My best advice is, if you are a parent to a hs schooler, don’t worry about those 86. Help your kid with his CA.</p>
<p>We already do know some kids took both tests- as I noted, a poor ACT could have been paired with a super SAT. We don’t know.</p>
<p>The 78 with gpa 3-374 could, for all we know, be congregated at 3.7-up.</p>
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<p>Nope, they are not. Sorry.</p>
<p>Where does your info come from?</p>
<p>Yeah lumpenproletariat need not apply because you can never make it. Thats fine since these are private institutions. But lets not pretend that ‘holistic’ means anymore that aggrandizing the Alumni, and that the current policy is distinguishable from the Jewish quota. </p>
<p>I just see people here unwittingly reenforcing Unz’s thesis. </p>
<p>Hopefully Grutter is correctly decided, but the sad fact that is that since McCulloch v. Maryland the incumbents have been deciding in favor of the incumbents.</p>
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<p>But seriously, absolutely false.</p>
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<p>I suppose in the history of mankind there have been thinner reeds grasped at. </p>
<p>But seriously give it up.</p>
<p>RESOLVED: There are a nontrivial number of applicants admitted to the Ivy league who are 2 STD out from the norm admission.</p>
<p>Ha, if you mean “The lowest, most degraded stratum of the proletariat,” these elites are looking for kids who have managed to accomplish academicaly, in activities and personally.</p>
<p>If you are convinced it’s all conspiratorial, opt out. Just don’t claim to know what you have not experienced. k? And, help your kid. The subject of this thread is Ivies. Elites. Those with such competition that they can cherry pick. Not access to a college education, in general.</p>