<p>She didn't say she went to Columbia here, either. Just that being at Columbia, in general, has perks. Which she can take advantage of, too, and is thus aware of. Chill out.</p>
<p>She's not <em>at</em> Columbia. That's the thing. She could have said that being across the street from Columbia has its perks.</p>
<p>This is part of the larger phenomenon of Barnard girls deliberately concealing and misrepresenting the fact that they attend Barnard, rather than embracing it.</p>
<p>to respond to all you guys.
Yes, I attend Barnard and no I didn't say I attend Columbia College nor the Engineering School or the General Studies school. Any Columbia or Columbia affiliated school (i.e. General Studies school etc), I would say is legit to say that they're "at Columbia". It's like any other school where an umbrella university has many undergraduate colleges. That's what I consider and I think many people here would agree.</p>
<p>And for saying that I'm "across the street"... I'm not "across the street" as in NYU being across the street from Cooper Union because a) a lot of classes and especially ones that i took are interfaculty or joint faculty and b) the student center is shared by Columbia organizations that are led by many Barnard students...c) some dorms are even shared. d) the place I work is a research institute whose director is a Barnard professor</p>
<p>I'm sorry that I have to go into technicalities like this but I feel it's the only way for anyone to understand where I'm coming from.</p>
<p>And for the "larger phenomenon of Barnard girls deliberately concealing and misrepresenting the fact that we attend Barnard" I'd disagree. No one here says I'm at CC (Columbia College) or SEAS (engineering). If we do say anything about Columbia it's a general comment about the Columbia community that we're a part of.</p>
<p>I'd say these accusations of deliberately concealing are quite derogatory and offensive and definitely a generalization.<br>
Overall, it's hard for anyone to make a definition about the relationship with Barnard and Columbia because there's nothing to compare it to. Basically to describe the identity, it'd be Barnard being a first name and Columbia being a last name.</p>
<p>If anyone has a problem with this then I'm sorry but each Barnard individual's affiliation to Columbia is different depending on their own activities and I think this is something that one should just understand, not attack.</p>
<p>But still, you didn't even say YOU were at Columbia.</p>
<p>Imagine I go to Harvard. Now I say, "One of the advantages to being at Columbia is you're in New York City for four years. Also, there's a great economics department." I didn't say I go to Columbia, am at Columbia, or any construction that might offend you if I were at Barnard instead of Harvard. See?</p>
<p>Only on this board would people be concerned about students from a different school supplying accurate information about and positive opinions of their own school.</p>
<p>Primefactor I guess you're right. The only clarification I'd like to add is that my opinions aren't from websites or other people's accounts; it's from my own experience with Columbia faculty. And yes, the question was "how does Columbia COLLEGE work" but it's importnat to realize that classes at Columbia combine Columbia College + Engineering + GS + Barnard + whatever school students. The faculty therefore is not specified to one school, but only to the University as a whole.</p>
<p>If we're going into technicalities I may as well belabor the point of 'affiliation.' While you referenced "General Studies" as a parallel example, this is incorrect. General Studies is a Columbia University school. Barnard is not. The institutions affiliated with Columbia are Jewish Theological Seminary, Union Theological Seminary, Teachers College, and of course Barnard College. UTS and TC are exclusively graduate schools, and JTS's List College has dual degree undergraduate programs directly with Barnard and with Columbia through the School of General Studies. So really there are no parallel examples of undergrads attending a school affiliated with Columbia other than Barnard students. </p>
<p>To continue to belabor the point, you are technically not a student 'at Columbia', but 'a student at barnard who has a unique opportunity to take advantage of columbia's resources' so to speak. </p>
<p>OK, everyone on the board who is a prospective student. NO ONE GIVES A FLYING **** ABOUT THIS CRAP. If I were to meet collegegirl at shared club meeting or a discussion section for class, I could give less of a damn whether she was a barnard student, a cc student, a seas student, a gs student, a student with horns growing out of her head. I'm dead serious. And you will too unless you've got insecurities, like the feared 'barnard girls claiming to be a columbia students on their resumes will devalue my accomplishent as a real columbia student' complex. Don't be that person. You're better than petty **** like that. Turns out a lot of people arent. They'll call it 'the principle', it's really just being petty. I'm not perfect, I've done it before too. Just saying though.</p>
<p>Before anyone gets all righteous and gives me the stadard 'you sure seem to argue a lot for someone who doesn't care' line, for some inexplicable reason I do care on these boards because trolls (have you any of you made Byerly's acquaintance yet?) get on my nerves for being outsiders with no real understanding of the actual dynamic, and I combat that with exact facts and very clear demarcations. Primefactor can attest to my doing this endlessly (she's seen me go off before on multiple forums...) Better to know the exact situation clearly than to flap your mouth ignorantly, as far as I'm concerned. </p>
<p>And with that I bow out of this discussion unless someone would like to take self righteous or dismissive offense at my post. Cheers.</p>
<p>I think everything that needs to be said has been said on this topic and anyone reading this should be clear on all our opinions. Done.</p>
<p>Well said.</p>