How Effective was the Career Services Office at Your (or Your Child's) College?

<p>College grads, age 45 and under, and Parents of College Grads:</p>

<p>I’m taking a brief, informal survey and hope you’ll participate, if you fit the age range (give or take). You can also answer on behalf of your college-grad children. I encourage you to add comments to your numerical ratings. If you're willing to name the college(s) in question, so much the better.</p>

<p>**1. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being, “Extremely helpful” and 1 being, “I never found it,” how helpful was your undergrad alma mater’s career services office when you were looking for your first job after college (or ANY job thereafter)?</p>

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<li><p>On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being “A lot” and 1 being, “I never found it,” how much did you try to take advantage of whatever your undergrad alma mater’s career services office offered? (Note also if you used these services while you were still an undergrad or at some point afterwards.)</p></li>
<li><p>No rating scale here but I welcome your thoughts on the effectiveness or lack thereof of your school’s career services offices (for you back in the day or for your child). </p></li>
<li><p>Did anyone else at your college (e.g., professor, alum) assist you in finding a job after graduation? **</p></li>
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<p>THANKS!!!</p>

<p>Parent of 1 college grad (Nursing - UPENN) and 1 college senior (Business - Indiana U).</p>

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<li><p>grad - 2 - all they did was have one career fair - nurses had to find their own jobs - my grad was one of the few who did get her job through the contact from the career fair
senior - 10 - lots of interviews with lots of fly-backs during first semester</p></li>
<li><p>both - 9 - used whatever services offered (as far as I could tell…)</p></li>
<li><p>I was dismayed that my d’s school had no concrete job search program and very little guidance for how to go about getting a job. I admit it’s partly due to the way the Nursing profession works - you apply online for vacancies at hospitals. If anything they were very discouraging to the seniors - telling them that it’s hard to get a first job in a hospital and they may have to work in nursing homes or small community offices first. There was a huge push to have them continue on to a Penn MSN program so there was not much emphasis on getting jobs. My d had worked as a CNA at the Penn hospital over her last summer so she had great work experience and got one of the few job interviews from the career fair and got the job - it was her only job offer other than working as a nurse at the Penn hospital on the floor she worked as CNA. She independently applied to (and followed up by phone) a bunch of hospitals all over the country and got no offers or even any interest from them.</p></li>
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<p>On the other hand I was very impressed and surprised at the career services at IU Kelley. My son had a hard time finding an internship through career services after junior year so my expectations were not high (he found one independently so did have good experience on his resume). Kelley has such a large graduating class and my son’s grades aren’t top of the class so I was worried. He ended up with 6 flybacks and 3 offers so far. One of the best things is the relationship Kelley has with a group of companies who consistently hire a lot of Kelley grads. </p>

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<li> not really but my son did know a few alums working at the companies he interviewed at and has a good friend who graduated last year who works at the company he is going to work for. His friend gave him some good information that helped him do well in the interviews and also gave him an honest picture of what working for that company would look like - it’s a great confirmation that the job will be a good fit.</li>
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<p>Tough to answer these questions straightforwardly, either for the parents generation, or the children’s.</p>

<p>My wife and I both used the same career service office when it was in its very infancy, in the mid-70s. We both got fabulous, unique internships with a lot of support from the university, that led to permanent job offers, that each of us turned down. I went straight to law school, and so the undergraduate career services office wound up being irrelevant to me. My wife got a great job after about 5 months of looking, and it had nothing to do with the career services office, but plenty to do with the unique internship on her resume. So for us, question 1 winds up being a weird split – extremely helpful, but not exactly in finding that first job.</p>

<p>Neither of us used our university’s career office for any subsequent job (but neither of us has had a day of unemployment). In one role, my wife worked with our kids’ career services office to set up an internship opportunity like the one she had had.</p>

<p>No one on faculty helped us find jobs. My wife got a placeholder first-job through a friend, whose cousin owned the business, and I think she heard about the opportunity that turned into her real first job from another friend. But she got another placeholder job by looking at bulletin boards at the university where I was in law school.</p>

<p>I will say that law school faculty mentors were absolutely instrumental for both of us when we started our careers.</p>

<p>Our children both used the same career services office at their university.</p>

<p>Child #1 used it extensively, starting in her second year. They helped her get paid internships (although the ones she got she mainly found on her own), do resume writing, think about how to groom her resume for the careers she wanted, etc. They used her resumes as models for how to make yourself attractive to employers in the main industries she was targeting. But all of that produced absolutely nothing by way of actual job offers. She wound up doing Teach For America, then getting an amazing job (in education policy, not where she started out) through its alumni network, but using the job search techniques the career services office had taught her.</p>

<p>Child #2 barely knew where it was. He basically worked his term-time job (which was connected to an EC) through two summers, and until late in his senior year thought he was going to graduate school, so wasn’t actually thinking of a permanent job. When he changed his mind about graduate school, he was mostly looking for work in a particular academic field, that would enhance a future grad school application, and relying almost entirely on faculty to help him and advise him. That proved very disappointing. After some scary months, he wound up getting two jobs that have really worked well for him in tandem – one (part time) through his EC contacts, really a continuation of what he did when he was in college, but for another organization, and a full-time position he learned about through a posting in the career services office. So it ultimately proved useful. (As did having his sister completely re-do his resume.)</p>

<p>Neither one would say nice things about the career services office. The older kid got lots of service, but no results, and thought the people there were clueless about looking for work at companies that didn’t hire scores of new graduates every year (like banks). From my perspective, though, I think they gave her some really good ideas about how to be systematic in a job search, and those ultimately served her well. The younger child didn’t really use the services in an effective way at all, but stumbled into something good (in injury time – he got offered the job literally as he was on his way to pick up the rental van to move himself back home the next day) with their minimal help.</p>

<p>My D graduated from Dickinson in 2012, and found a very good job before graduating. She also held four different internships while in college.</p>

<ol>
<li>On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being, “Extremely helpful” and 1 being, “I never found it,” how helpful was your undergrad alma mater’s career services office when you were looking for your first job after college (or ANY job thereafter)?</li>
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<p>6 - My D got only one of her four internships through the career office (a local unpaid one in the same town as her college, during the school year, that was listed with the career office). All three of her other internships and her full time job came through her own efforts, not through anything posted by the career office. However, they did help her with resume content and formatting, with practice interview, and alumni panels.</p>

<p>One thing that was a problem was that she was not able to get one of the summer “stipends” that the career office gives out to to cover part of the costs of an unpaid internship. She did all the application forms and turned them in on time, but the person in charge of the stipend in the office denied her application on a technicality (I think it was something like a part of her request was over one page – the forms and requirements were VERY confusing, she and I had reviewed them together, and this rule actually was not clearly stated). As my kid was Phi Beta Kappa with excellent relationships with her profs, and had tracked down a great internship on her own in an expensive city, it was disappointing. My D appealed this decision (politely), but the woman in the career office was actually quite rude in her response and denied the appeal. It certainly left a bad taste in my mouth about the career office. I looked at my daughter’s app, and it was well written and made the case per the rules set out by the career office. Obviously everyone can’t get a stipend, but the denial on a technicality that was poorly explained AND a rude response to her appeal was disappointing.</p>

<ol>
<li>On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being “A lot” and 1 being, “I never found it,” how much did you try to take advantage of whatever your undergrad alma mater’s career services office offered? (Note also if you used these services while you were still an undergrad or at some point afterwards.)</li>
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<p>10 - She spent a lot of time working with them, looking at postings and attending their seminars, etc.</p>

<ol>
<li><p>No rating scale here but I welcome your thoughts on the effectiveness or lack thereof of your school’s career services offices (for you back in the day or for your child).</p></li>
<li><p>Did anyone else at your college (e.g., professor, alum) assist you in finding a job after graduation? </p></li>
</ol>

<p>My D ended up finding her job through an alumni who was only one year ahead of her (someone my D knew personally).</p>